Yeh it says he made the players play better which he did, he got them fitter and those that didn’t want to follow he sold. Poch was not handed the Real Madrid’s squad after he came in.
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Yeh it says he made the players play better which he did, he got them fitter and those that didn’t want to follow he sold. Poch was not handed the Real Madrid’s squad after he came in.
So disinterested that he got in the PFA team of the year that season
Dembele was also one of our best players that - his double pivot that season with Sandro was arguably the best in the league.
Poch wouldn’t play Dembele in his first season - Stambouli was played a head of him at certain pints of the season.
Yes because Dembele was not mobile enough, he had a lot of issues, surely you can remember that.
He made clearly very talented players perform to the level they were capable of. That’s it.
He didn’t turn Harry Kane into Harry Kane. If he was responsible for turning rough into diamonds then we would have had to put up with the likes of Jansen, Njie, Stambouli, Winks, GKN, Sanchez, Ndombele, Kyle Walker Peters, Foyth etc.
he was plenty mobile enough - the likes of Mason, Bentleb and Stambouli are no where near he a 50% Dembele. Even then
I am not sure what your overall point is other than to suggest that Poch was handed a Real Madrid team. Let’s look at his very best team.
Lloris: decent, not the greatest but decent
Walker: physically brilliant but limited
Toby: top draw
Verts: very good
Rose: Average until Poch came
Dembele: A mess before Poch once sorted our most important player for the system
Dier: reasonable utility player
Dele: mercurial, great goal scorer but limited in build up play
Eriksen: on and off, great sometimes and other times not.
Son: good goal scorer not great at build up play
Kane: World Class
If we made a XI with Liverpool. At best I can justify 4 of our vs 6 Liverpool and that is considering Henderson is far more suited to Klopps system than Eriksen, same with Fermino and Kane to a degree so it could be as low as just 2 of ours.
Best case
Alisson
Alexander-Arnold Toby Van Dijk Robertson
Eriksen Fabinho Dembele
Salah Kane Mane
Worst case
Alisson
Alexander-Arnold Toby Van Dijk Robertson
Henderson Fabinho Dembele
Salah Fermino Mane
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I don't believe that to be true... It's not just the cash-in on Coutinho....
(Sorry to quote myself, but I'll be fucked if I type all this out again....)
When did we ever undergo a sustained period of spending like that?
Pochettino made mistakes CL final Kane/Moura some things he said in the media but they only came near the end when he probably knew his time was up! If he’d been backed by Levy every season summer/ winter transfer window we’d have turned the squad over we fresh/young players and kept the momentum but instead we let the squad go stale.......okay Walker left Eriksen didn’t kick a ball for a season and Dele‘ s form dipped but each issue could have been dealt with if we’d had suitable replacements but we didn’t.
We never have and never will under ENIC - that’s why we’ll never achieve anything
Their biggest spends have been directly a result of them selling their best players - that’s no different to us in the past.
We’ve spent a large sums as well, Lamela (£30 million) , Soldaldo (£26 million) Paulinho (£17 million) just prior Poch joining and a large amount during that time Son( £22 Million) Sanchez (£42 million), Sissoko (£30 million) Moura (£26 million) Ndomblele (£52 million), Lo Celso ( £42 million) Segesseson (£25 million) Bergwin (£25 million).
There is no point being selective with timescales - look at the spend between the two respective owners and the strategy employed and it is quite easy to see the same model being applied.
Both clubs built elite teams with relatively little net outlay in comparison to the elite clubs. One club won the the CL and PL whilst the other won nothing. The difference is the manager. They have a manager who won back to back German titles beating a superpower in that league in the process. We on the other hand had a manager sacked by Espanyol due them being bottom of the league with 2 wins in 13 and whose major achievement prior to joining us was finishing 8th with Southampton.
2nd in the league for chances created, hope this helps.
What we're seeing now is one of, if not the most succesful managers in the history of the modern game struggling to get a tune out of the very same bunch of players that Pochettino somehow, incredibly, miraculously, took to within 90 minutes of becoming European Champions.
Let that sink in, guys.
Perenial Champions league qualifiers to the shit we saw against Bournmouth. With the same team. The same players. Just 13 months ago.
Wow!
The stumps who cried Poch out instead of Levy out have had the pants pulled down and arses exposed.
They're smarting so much they're desperate to deflect anything they can onto Poch to justify their naivety. Or stupidity.
Is it any wonder that Poch gave up after 5 years working under shackles of Daniel Levy?
Yes, we can blame him for the horrors of Munich and Colchester after throwing in the towell.
But guys, what we're seeing today is irrefutable proof, not that any is needed, that the problem isn't Jose Mourinho, it wasn't Pochettino. It wasn't Redknapp, AVB, Jol, Ramos or the rest, either.
The problem is, and always will be, Daniel Levy.
Let that sink in, guys.
Perenial Champions league qualifiers to the shit we saw against Bournmouth. With the same team. The same players. Just 13 months ago.
Wow!
The stumps who cried Poch out instead of Levy out have had the pants pulled down and arses exposed.
They're smarting so much they're desperate to deflect anything they can onto Poch to justify their naivety. Or stupidity.
Is it any wonder that Poch gave up after 5 years working under shackles of Daniel Levy?
Yes, we can blame him for the horrors of Munich and Colchester after throwing in the towell.
But guys, what we're seeing today is irrefutable proof, not that any is needed, that the problem isn't Jose Mourinho, it wasn't Pochettino. It wasn't Redknapp, AVB, Jol, Ramos or the rest, either.
The problem is, and always will be, Daniel Levy.
The article unravelled itself in the very first paragraph:
If you had told someone in the summer of 2016, just after Tottenham had announced themselves to the world and run Leicester close to the title, that the team would go on to win a grand total of zero major trophies under Mauricio Pochettino, few would have believed you. How could one of the most dynamic, exciting groups of players in recent Premier League history, led by a charismatic young manager, with their peaks yet to come and their entire careers in front of them, end up trophyless?
Therein lies the rub.
Not City, not Chelsea, not Utd, not Liverpool, not Woolwich.
But Leicester.
For all ENIC and Levys failing, bottling that season wasn’t one of them.
Poch and the players failed to out perform Danny Drinkwater and Robert Huth.
That’s all there is to it.
If you had told someone in the summer of 2016, just after Tottenham had announced themselves to the world and run Leicester close to the title, that the team would go on to win a grand total of zero major trophies under Mauricio Pochettino, few would have believed you. How could one of the most dynamic, exciting groups of players in recent Premier League history, led by a charismatic young manager, with their peaks yet to come and their entire careers in front of them, end up trophyless?
Therein lies the rub.
Not City, not Chelsea, not Utd, not Liverpool, not Woolwich.
But Leicester.
For all ENIC and Levys failing, bottling that season wasn’t one of them.
Poch and the players failed to out perform Danny Drinkwater and Robert Huth.
That’s all there is to it.
That does not excuse Poch.
It makes it even worse. Can you not see that?
That’s exactly what they are saying......because they called it the best squad in decades.
Lloris, Dembele, Kane,Dele, Jan, Toby, Walker, Rose, Son all playing at world class levels.
Back up that could walk into any top 4 team.
“one tricky winger” was all we needed for longevity.
Vardy was shit wasn’t he? Still people claim he wouldn’t get in our team today, lol.
So how on earth could not beating Leicester at home be the owners and chairman’s fault?
And throwing 2-0 to Chelsea, losing to west ham and throwing a 2-1 lead to ten men Woolwich?
The manager has never had a winning mentality, has never won anything and likely never will.
Levy has fucked up. But not that year, and he didn’t pick the sides and tactics that cost us multiple semi finals and finals.
Klopp and Liverpool have completely destroyed these peoples arguments.
Same model, same squad options, same limited 2 window activity- completely different outcome trophy wise.
The difference the manager.
But apparently they can win the games biggest honours under those circumstances because - well just because.
But Pochettinho cannot and should not be expected too - it’s testament to his talent in we even got to that position before we never reached those heights in the PL before ( despite never having that group of players before).
As I said before it’s like listening to a Belgium supporter claiming reaching a World Cup semi final is an amazing feat for Martinez because Belgium had never been a major international player in the past before completely ignoring the fact that they had by far the best squad on that stage at that time.
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He never got offered those jobs because they know he will never win anything for as long as he is a manager. He would fail to win the French league with Psg
Re: Liverpool - Firmino can actually play centre forward to and is better than any of our options from the bench.
They have a far better midfield than us and far better full backs...and far more depth in the squad...along with the best centre half in the league and they paid handsomely for most of it.
They have a far better midfield than us and far better full backs...and far more depth in the squad...along with the best centre half in the league and they paid handsomely for most of it.