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Transfers The Summer Transfer Edging Thread 2025

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Off topic, but I found this conversation with Liverpool’s saber metrics guy to be absolutely insightful. If I had to guess, our guys are nowhere near as good.


View: https://youtu.be/b4-zOLoZRmc?si=UNZzneabApMpFFfs

It’s not always a question of how good the analytics guys are. It’s how trusted they are and how much the club backs their judgements when they are unconventional. Famously Klopp wanted Timo Werner and Julian Brandt over Salah but FSG trust the data.
 
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At this juncture, I’m not sure why anyone (and I’ve seen lots of people suggest it, not just you) considers Akliouche a “genuine” ACM? He may well turn into one, but majority of his minutes have been at inverted right forward or ARM.

I’m a big fan of Akliouche, think we could have saved ourselves the price of Kudus and Savinho and just bought him, but if we buy Savinho then I think buying another similar profile - dribbly, creat-y, lefty who likes to cut in type - when none of them have really proven they are good as ACM’s (Savinho can definitely play orthodox LW), would seem to be some what over egging that profile.

If we sign Savinho, I would much rather we found a player who can definitely play as an 8 first and an ACM second.

Paz could be that guy. Eze maybe. Or perhaps BEK might be that guy - he strikes me as being a very Maddison type of player. I’ve not seen enough of him in normal circumstances to have a solid opinion, but I quite like this link, he seems like the sort of signing Palace might make and we then wish we had.
Completely agree on Akliouche being out. That’s just not going to happen anymore, you can’t feasibly play 3 of the same profile of player behind a striker.

I am wondering though, with Savinho coming in as an excellent crosser but not much of a goal threat, if Frank wants a big box crashing CAM to help with attacking crosses? El Khannouss doesn’t fit that remit too well (ironically Sarr does).
 
At this juncture, I’m not sure why anyone (and I’ve seen lots of people suggest it, not just you) considers Akliouche a “genuine” ACM? He may well turn into one, but majority of his minutes have been at inverted right forward or ARM.

I’m a big fan of Akliouche, think we could have saved ourselves the price of Kudus and Savinho and just bought him, but if we buy Savinho then I think buying another similar profile - dribbly, creat-y, lefty who likes to cut in type - when none of them have really proven they are good as ACM’s (Savinho can definitely play orthodox LW), would seem to be some what over egging that profile.

If we sign Savinho, I would much rather we found a player who can definitely play as an 8 first and an ACM second.

Paz could be that guy. Eze maybe. Or perhaps BEK might be that guy - he strikes me as being a very Maddison type of player. I’ve not seen enough of him in normal circumstances to have a solid opinion, but I quite like this link, he seems like the sort of signing Palace might make and we then wish we had.

Agree on Akliouche but I just don't see it with Nico Paz - getting Zaniolo vibes
 

Huge offer needed for Savinho to be sold to Spurs​

Latest from Sky Sports News' Ben Ransom:

Manchester City are not interested in selling Savinho, and it would take a huge offer from Tottenham for them to consider letting him go.

Any recruitment of wide forwards in the final three weeks of the window is contingent on Savinho leaving.

Reports that his exit is imminent are believed to be premature.

Nevermind GIF

Nevermind Martin Klamski GIF
 
Media says it’ll likely get done at £60m/€70m. Fans say « just pay the money ».

Unfortunately negotiations are dynamic. The selling club is always trying to receive as much as possible. If they quote a figure and you accept straight away then they will move the goalposts to squeeze a bit more from you.

Negotiations are a form of price discovery and a game. A prediction is not the same as a price.
 
Completely agree on Akliouche being out. That’s just not going to happen anymore, you can’t feasibly play 3 of the same profile of player behind a striker.

I am wondering though, with Savinho coming in as an excellent crosser but not much of a goal threat, if Frank wants a big box crashing CAM to help with attacking crosses? El Khannouss doesn’t fit that remit too well (ironically Sarr does).

Conor Gallagher?
 
And how much of BJ's goals came from the fact that Ange's shitty system was set up for him to get on the end of things at the expense of our general play.

I don't see that under Frank. We require our wingers to be reliable outballs and to make things happen on their own. Kudus and Savinho do this. Odobert has potential to get there eventually.

I think Johnson gets exposed under Frank and becomes a bit part player very quickly.

Frank wanted him at Brentford, our top goalscorer from last season isn't becoming a 'bit part player' under Frank..

Savinho just adds strngth to depth in to positions.

Add a ten and we are pretty much set across the forward line.

One or two more to come in i think.
 
At this juncture, I’m not sure why anyone (and I’ve seen lots of people suggest it, not just you) considers Akliouche a “genuine” ACM? He may well turn into one, but majority of his minutes have been at inverted right forward or ARM.

I’m a big fan of Akliouche, think we could have saved ourselves the price of Kudus and Savinho and just bought him, but if we buy Savinho then I think buying another similar profile - dribbly, creat-y, lefty who likes to cut in type - when none of them have really proven they are good as ACM’s (Savinho can definitely play orthodox LW), would seem to be some what over egging that profile.
You’re missing context.

Monaco didnt play with a 10 last season so the best place for him was RW. The season before his minutes were split between 10 and RW.

As a young player he was a second striker and 10.

He has definitely exploded as a RW last season but he has the experience and skill set to play in the middle.
 
He's done nothing to put 20 or 30 mil on his Girona value.

Spending 50 or 60 big ones on that kid would be another typical nutter move a la Levy.

I agree that initially reported 70 mil feels steep; however if it is as someone mentioned ~58 mil base fee + add ons, it is much more reasonable.

But Girona and City are clubs of same system. 25 mil (his reported fee) was never a realistic going rate for him. At the time of transfer his market value was 50 mil. And after that he provided 10 assists in EPL level with just 1700 minutes played (!) so even though his scoring return was poor, he still proved himself on EPL level.

Though regarding the fees involved - basically City is using this other clubs system to cheat the financial sustainability system. Scheme is simple (if you have truckloads of free money coming from earth, like their owners have) - buy smaller and thus cheaper club in other top 5-6 leagues. Stock them all with talented youngsters. Work hard on player development. Let them get tested in competitive leagues. And then sell to the parent club for 1/3 of the actual value. So after that parent club can re-sell player for it's actual value and report difference as pure profit.
 
I honestly don’t see us getting Savinho. We will have offered around £40 million and they supposedly want £70 milllion and not desperate to sell. We’ll be miles apart in valuation. But at least we tried 😂
 
I suspect we will trim the squad as far as possible but wouldn't be at all surprised if we resort to what Chelsea did last season and just leave a good size swathe of players unregistered pending transfer or loan. Questionable at this stage whether registering Maddison even in January is worthwhile and so that frees up a spot, Kulu isn't back til April-ish so again you have to ask yourself serious questions about whether he is registered at all, will take well over a month to get him rehabbed anyway. Pending Savinho in I suspect we will get more serious about selling Solomon once he is back from his injury.

The CL squad will be limited to 2 players (17 overseas plus 4 HG plus Austin as CT gk) - but there will be an additional probably 3/4/5 places in PL squad where the likes of Kulusevski, Madison may fit into if only fit from January onwards - if we play 60 games in the season, 45 - 50 likely to be for PL and domestic cups so they will get playing time.
 
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