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Transfers The Winter Transfer Thread - 25/26

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I think the price of Savinho will have dropped considerably from the summer.

I mentioned the other day his numbers are nowhere as bad as made out when you take them in minutes he's played rather than appearances.


21 G/A in 48 appearances I think it is.

Savinho ?
stats this season are 2 goals (both in EFL cup, one v Huddersfield, the other v Brentford) and 3 assists (in PL and CL) in a total of 981 mins.

Take out the EFL 173 minutes and its 3 assists in 778 mins (PL and CL).
Savinho - Stats

So he's another prospect who has not lived up t expectations in aa season and a half at ManCity - a punt even at £30m.
 
Savinho ?
stats this season are 2 goals (both in EFL cup, one v Huddersfield, the other v Brentford) and 3 assists (in PL and CL) in a total of 981 mins.

Take out the EFL 173 minutes and its 3 assists in 778 mins (PL and CL).
Savinho - Stats

So he's another prospect who has not lived up t expectations in aa season and a half at ManCity - a punt even at £30m.
My quoted stats is since he joined City.

I have to keep repeating, we aren't competing for the ''guarantees''. They simply don't want to join us.

What player at the peak of their powers is looking at us right now and saying ''yea, that looks like the football I want to play and home crowd I want to play in front of''.

Of all the ''punts'' mentioned, Savinho is one of the few with any sort of output in English football. I'm not saying he's the messiah, not close. But he's better than what we have on the left and we can't turn our nose up at available upgrades.
 
There are no hidden gems in Europe anymore now. Every major club knows every youngster with a rep.

Anyone Spurs knows, the others do too.

Most summers there is a UEFA international age-group tournament going on.

Adding that all the major football media outlets dish out these lists every season/year.


The ones that exist, we both already know, so the clubs do as well.

The Guardians list of best players under 21 had players from the arse end of Benin, such is the scope of scouting these days.

I'd have thought it was apparent I'm not interested in 21's.... I didn't imply "hidden gems" either.


Just go get the best "now" LW-er we can attract.
 
We are going to pay huge money for 19, 20 year-old huge potentials again aren't we? Our next Tel. And then send them on loan next year.

We never learn do we?
I've suggested Cancelo who wants out of Saudi.

I'd have thought it was apparent I'm not interested in 21's.... I didn't imply "hidden gems" either.


Just go get the best "now" LW-er we can attract.
Kind of my point mate, it's Savinho or his level. Rashford and Mitoma enter my head but Rashford won't be on the move until summer and Mitoma would take a titanic package to get out of Brighton (so big it may mean we can't buy anyone else).
 
Kind of my point mate, it's Savinho or his level.

On the contrary; Savinho is not a "now" player.

Rashford and Mitoma enter my head but Rashford won't be on the move until summer and Mitoma would take a titanic package to get out of Brighton (so big it may mean we can't buy anyone else).


I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg, but no sign of Savinho fwiw.
 
What player at the peak of their powers is looking at us right now and saying ''yea, that looks like the football I want to play and home crowd I want to play in front of''.
It's why we should have gone balls deep and strengthened the team in the summer after the Champions League final when we'd made ourselves more attractive to top players.

Now we don't really have anything to offer top players apart from a fancy stadium, we don't even have any world class players in the team, even though Romero may be seen as one on international duty. Okay we're currently in the Champions League but our manager seems to think we're undeserving of it.
 
On the contrary; Savinho is not a "now" player.




I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg, but no sign of Savinho fwiw.
Never been a claim that he's one of the best 25 left wingers in the world.

As for that list, they mostly ungettable, which makes my point

Garnacho = lol
Sonny = never coming back
Fofana = as unproven as Savinho, with lesser stats at Savinhos age when Savinho was in a stronger league.
Adeyemi = Not leaving Dortmund for us
Gittens = Chelsea
Lang = Joined Serie A champions 5 months ago
Mitoma = Available if we make a massive outlay on an aging player
Martinelli = Goon cunt
Gnabry = See above
Coman = Forever injured, aging and Saudi
Gordon = Not leaving Newcastle, also been dreadful lately
Semenyo = Goner

The remaining 13 are, as the list suggests, the best in the world who be looking at clubs above their station, not below, if they were to leave.

Leao and Lookman maybe, but they come with huge question marks and are the punts you are looking to avoid.

As I said, the market for guaranteed difference makers is bare.

EDIT - Interestingly, Rodrygo isn't on that list either. Someone we'd all take.
 
Would be happy with the following:

Robinson (Fulham) - £30m
Locatelli (Juve) - £35m plus Dragusin
Ndiaye (Everton) - £35m plus Richie

think this puts our squad in a lot stronger position. Cover/competition for Udogie. Progressive deep lying defensive midfielder- paired with Gray/Berg for most teams or Bents/Palhinha for tougher games. Genuinely skilful threat down the left or cover for Kudus.
I really like Robinson as a LB, but his injury record, especially his recent knee issues, which are serious...plus his ankles are dodgy too. So that makes it a no for me. But we most defo need to replace Udogie.

Locatelli - 100%. But I think he'll get picked up by a bigger club...Bayern, PSG, Real, maybe even Liverpool or United.

N'Diaye - I'm not that big a fan to be honest. Saw him live several times at Marseille and he was rubbish. Done better in England but I'm still not sold. We need to go REALLY big as far as a winger is concerned.

Vicario for Sommer is my wet dream, as is swapping Romero for a proper world class CB and captain.
 
My quoted stats is since he joined City.

I have to keep repeating, we aren't competing for the ''guarantees''. They simply don't want to join us.

What player at the peak of their powers is looking at us right now and saying ''yea, that looks like the football I want to play and home crowd I want to play in front of''.

Of all the ''punts'' mentioned, Savinho is one of the few with any sort of output in English football. I'm not saying he's the messiah, not close. But he's better than what we have on the left and we can't turn our nose up at available upgrades.

Savinho's stats (all competitions) last season were 13 assists and 3 goals in 3,087 minutes - decent stats but not top class (eg Eriksen, Son, Dele were consistently getting 20+ goals/assists for about 5 consecutive years for Spurs) Savinho - Stats 24/25.

With younger players you look for improvement year on year, yet the last half season, Savinho's stats are much poorer than last season's.

Is the same reason why many are concerned at Tel - he's not getting anywhere close to the stats he was getting at Bayern in the season before he joined Spurs.

Its looking more like 'one season wonder' and not in a Harry Kane sense !
 
Never been a claim that he's one of the best 25 left wingers in the world.

Sure, but one should perhaps ponder where he sits on such a list as at today's productivity (rather than potential in a few years).

As for that list, they mostly ungettable, which makes my point

Garnacho = lol
Sonny = never coming back
Fofana = as unproven as Savinho, with lesser stats at Savinhos age when Savinho was in a stronger league.
Adeyemi = Not leaving Dortmund for us
Gittens = Chelsea
Lang = Joined Serie A champions 5 months ago
Mitoma = Available if we make a massive outlay on an aging player
Martinelli = Goon cunt
Gnabry = See above
Coman = Forever injured, aging and Saudi
Gordon = Not leaving Newcastle, also been dreadful lately
Semenyo = Goner

The remaining 13 are, as the list suggests, the best in the world who be looking at clubs above their station, not below, if they were to leave.

Leao and Lookman maybe, but they come with huge question marks and are the punts you are looking to avoid.

As I said, the market for guaranteed difference makers is bare.

EDIT - Interestingly, Rodrygo isn't on that list either. Someone we'd all take.

I accept that many of the top 25 would be out of reach, but my only real point in posting is that it ought to be where the conversation begins given that we need to get a "now" player.
 
Savinho's stats (all competitions) last season were 13 assists and 3 goals in 3,087 minutes - decent stats but not top class (eg Eriksen, Son, Dele were consistently getting 20+ goals/assists for about 5 consecutive years for Spurs) Savinho - Stats 24/25.

With younger players you look for improvement year on year, yet the last half season, Savinho's stats are much poorer than last season's.

Is the same reason why many are concerned at Tel - he's not getting anywhere close to the stats he was getting at Bayern in the season before he joined Spurs.

Its looking more like 'one season wonder' and not in a Harry Kane sense !
That's because this year he's playing for scraps now Doku has come alive, Bobb is back from long term injury and they bought Cherki.

Your stats are going to suffer when your feeding off scraps of minutes. He's had 8 sub appearances of 23 minutes or less (3 at 8 or less).
 
Sure, but one should perhaps ponder where he sits on such a list as at today's productivity (rather than potential on a few years).



I accept that many of the top 25 would be out of reach, but my only real point in posting is that it ought to be where the conversation begins given that we need to get a "now" player.
Unfortunately, we've fallen so low we have to be pragmatic and real rather than look at targets based on where we think we should be.

The reports of us ''chasing Semenyo hard'', it's just a waste of our time and resources atm. As sad as that is to say.
 
Is the same reason why many are concerned at Tel - he's not getting anywhere close to the stats he was getting at Bayern in the season before he joined Spurs.
I read an article about Tel when he first joined on loan. He was often brought on as a substitute when Bayern had already won and the opposition were done. Also the level of teammates he had at Bayern vs opposition were massive. In short he was surrounded by a quality and dominant footballing machine.
 
Unfortunately, we've fallen so low we have to be pragmatic and real rather than look at targets based on where we think we should be.

The reports of us ''chasing Semenyo hard'', it's just a waste of our time and resources atm. As sad as that is to say.

Where we evidently differ is the principal of Potential v Now....

You seem comfortable with the former (and make no mistake; Sav's output WILL drop before having any chance of rising up again once he's taken the step down from MC).... I say the latter is what's crucial.
 
Where we evidently differ is the principal of Potential v Now....

You seem comfortable with the former (and make no mistake; Sav's output WILL drop before having any chance of rising up again once he's taken the step down from MC).... I say the latter is what's crucial.
I'm comfortable with it because I've come to terms with our place in the pecking order since the Eze debacle.

You're holding onto the idea there is something better available. But we've gone through the best options and agreed they are unachievable.

This is the start of the rebuild, not the final pieces.
 
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