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This needs to be publicised more. It was clear the survey was biased from the get go. The questions loaded and the aim to sanitise Spurs. What the club don’t realise is that it is the history of Spurs which makes it. Wipe everything clean and you’re left with a vacuous shell. That the history of this term is based on fighting racism is incidental, yid means spurs supporter and that’s it. But we should have some pride that it originated a long long time ago in fighting racism. Anyone know when this happened? Mosley and the facist battles of the 1920s might be the start? In which case it’s 100 years old. This millennium/century yid means Spurs supporter. The meaning of the word has evolved.
As I said a few pages back, I stopped filling in the survey when (quickly) became apparent its only goal was to try to force guilt on the individual and make them want to stop.
It was not, in any way shape or form open minded or trying to get people's opinion. It was to force an agenda with only 1 single point of view.
I had a book (think I have given it away since) where an old Jewish Spurs fella said they were on the way to a match and they went to Brick Lane to fight Mosely and the BUF.
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I think the game may have been vs Sunderland....not sure
For me, with my families origins in the east end, this is a very emotive subject. My grandfather was born into a world of facism, and the battles in the streets of east London against facism and racism were real.
You can’t erase that from history and no Jew or gentile with any humanity would want to wipe clean the history of the holocaust. History can not be sanitised.
That said, I firmly believe that this century yid was quietly evolving and many many sub-40 year old fans had no idea of this history, until you know who made it an issue. His way of dealing with the cognitive dissonance of being a Jew and supporting a club whose fans mimic the noise of the gas chamber.
You can’t erase that from history and no Jew or gentile with any humanity would want to wipe clean the history of the holocaust. History can not be sanitised.
That said, I firmly believe that this century yid was quietly evolving and many many sub-40 year old fans had no idea of this history, until you know who made it an issue. His way of dealing with the cognitive dissonance of being a Jew and supporting a club whose fans mimic the noise of the gas chamber.
YIDDO YIDDO YIDDO YIDDO YIDDO YIDDO YIDDO YIDDO YIIIIIIIDDO
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The Guardian actually asks for the view of a Jewish Spurs fan, then totally misrepresent his views in the headline.
As a Jewish Spurs fan, I saw Y-word chants as a form of solidarity. But they have to go | Mark Solomons
He doesn't say "They have to go" anywhere in the piece.
As a Jewish Spurs fan, I saw Y-word chants as a form of solidarity. But they have to go | Mark Solomons
He doesn't say "They have to go" anywhere in the piece.
Just shows how little the people writing about this actually know. All this talk about misinformation recently eh? We are at the centre of it now.
I am amazed that the the so called enlightened folk ,who seem to be most opposed to this, know the least about it.
Lest we forget that we had a poster on here report that Chelsea fans were doing nazi salutes in the stadium a few weeks back. I had to listen to Chelsea fans screaming vile antisemtic abuse on the tube a few weeks back who also threatened to hang me by my scarf. Every time West Ham play us it is the same. Any one remember that youth game with 1882 at stamford bridge a few years back? Kids spent the whole time doing big nose gestures.
Nah fuck the media, I will not yield. They have turned a blind eye to this for years. Now their justification for other fans doing it because of us! How disgusting! They have no idea!
"Sorry, I made gas chamber noises, I can't help it because they call themselves yids."
Even the Athletic podcast had two people on it who had no clue about anything - the usual type who spends hours looking at freeze frames and "analysing" it. All they could say was "It's 2021"
It's now become 'safer' to assume racism than appear to be condoning it by omission.
I think that alone explains much of the shit going down in our culture.
They shoulda just stuck to all the tactics & nerdy shit..... The rest of it is just the same wank that everyone else is peddling.
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ahem... excuse me while I get on my soapboax.
I hope this experience is instructive for all of us. Look at how the media manipulates, in both blatant and subtle ways, how the public are all too eager to accept the lies. Even some of the victims of this smear campaign are made to doubt themselves.
This kind of shit is very common, let's hope we can spot it when it isn't about us or the things we care about. Examine what people are choosing to not say, or empahsise, and our own views too.
I know it doesn't need to be said for most of you, but I needed to get it off my chest, because it isn't the first time I've seen this kind of debate.
I hope this experience is instructive for all of us. Look at how the media manipulates, in both blatant and subtle ways, how the public are all too eager to accept the lies. Even some of the victims of this smear campaign are made to doubt themselves.
This kind of shit is very common, let's hope we can spot it when it isn't about us or the things we care about. Examine what people are choosing to not say, or empahsise, and our own views too.
I know it doesn't need to be said for most of you, but I needed to get it off my chest, because it isn't the first time I've seen this kind of debate.
West Ham fan according to the bio.
"No need to chant it anymore.... blah blah 70s & 80s....."
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Over the last 12 months alone. All Spurs related:
Antisemites bombard social media claiming football’s proposed European Super League is product of Jewish greed
Twitter users have responded to news of a possible launch of a new European Super League (ESL) by blaming Jews for “ruining football.” The announcement of the ESL has proved controversial and unpopular with swathes of football fans due to the potential harm it is believed may be caused to...antisemitism.org
CAA writes to talkSPORT demanding live on-air apology after presenters allow “He’s a Jew, he’s not gonna let him go for nothing” comment about Daniel Levy to go unchallenged
Campaign Against Antisemitism will be writing to talkSPORT to demand a live on-air apology after two of the radio show’s presenters allowed a hateful comment from a caller about Tottenham Hotspur’s chairman, Daniel Levy, to go unchallenged. The show’s segment was presented by Perry Groves, a...
Sports broadcaster Abbi Grace Summers confronts West Ham football fan hurling antisemitic abuse at her on train to Tottenham Hotspur game
The sports broadcaster Abbi Grace Summers confronted a West Ham football fan who hurled antisemitic abuse at her on a train to a game between the Hammers and Tottenham Hotspur. The abuse took place on a London Underground train on 22nd December. Footage from a video, which went viral online...
CAA calls on Met Police to disclose what action has been taken against Vitesse supporters who appeared to perform Nazi salutes against Tottenham Hotspur fans
Campaign Against Antisemitism has called on the Metropolitan Police to disclose what action has been taken against SBV Vitesse supporters who appeared to perform Nazi salutes against Tottenham Hotspur fans. The gestures were spotted at the 4th November match between the Dutch club and the North...
Newcastle United launch investigation after alleged racist gesture made towards Tottenham fans during match
Newcastle United Football Club has launched an investigation after an individual allegedly made a racist gesture towards Tottenham supporters during a Premier League match. Police have also been made aware of the incident which occurred at St James’ Park this past Sunday. Though the club has not...
More antisemitic graffiti found in Tottenham Hale include “Holohoax” and “Hitler was right” messages
Antisemitic graffiti promoting Holocaust denial and Nazi symbols has been found in Tottenham Hale. Shocking antisemitic sentiments were found scrawled along Daneland Walk in Tottenham Hale promoting Holocaust denial. Written against a property billboard, one section of graffiti read: “COVIDHOAX...
“F***” the Jews” graffitied onto billboard in Tottenham Hale
“F***” the Jews” has been found graffitied onto a billboard in North London. The billboard is situated on Ashley Road in Tottenham Hale, close to the large Jewish community in Stamford Hill and also near Tottenham Hotspur’s stadium. The football club has recently been the target of antisemitic...
Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy targeted by antisemitic abuse online
Tottenham Hotspur’s chairman, Daniel Levy, has been on the receiving end of antisemitic abuse by an unnamed Twitter user. The tweet, since removed, was said to have contained several antisemitic tropes and has been reported to the police. This comes less than 24 hours after Spurs player...
CAA calls on Ryanair to help West Ham identify and ban fans who were filmed chanting “I’ve got a foreskin haven’t you, f***ing Jew” at a Hasidic passenger on a flight to a match
Campaign Against Antisemitism has called on Ryanair to help West Ham FC identify and ban fans who were filmed chanting an antisemitic song at a Hasidic passenger on a flight to a match. The West Ham supporters were on a flight to Belgium where their club was playing KRC Genk. On the flight out...
Harry Kane suffers antisemitic abuse while black England players also on receiving end of racist chanting at qualifier match in Hungary
Harry Kane, the captain of England’s football team, has reported that he suffered antisemitic abuse at a match in Hungary yesterday. England defeated Hungary 4-0 in the Budapest qualifier match for the World Cup, with Mr Kane, who plays for Tottenham Hotspur, reporting that he received...
Millwall football hooligans’ threatening “Attention Jews” poster found near club’s stadium
A poster with the words “Achtung Juden”, which is German for “Attention Jews”, put up by the Millwall Berserkers hooligan group was found near Millwall Football Club stadium. The poster also featured the cockerel from Tottenham Hotspur Football Club’s logo with its head detached from its body...
38 incidents listed in total in recent years.....
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How many more didn't get reported or make the news?
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This without doubt is going to get far worse before at some point the inevitable happens and that is one way or another there will be enforcement and just like the N word the Y word will become a total no no
Now before anyone puffs their chests out not that is desired or indeed welcomed but slowly but surely the wider Jewish populations view is going to have to be the only one that matters and not just Fred who claims to be Jewish and sits in front of Bill who is defiant and at 6foot 3 ins tall knows Fred is ok with him using the word.
In that article quoted earlier this bit will become a focus
“But when I speak to Jewish friends who obstinately support other teams – mostly Woolwich, some West Ham – they tell me they genuinely feel uncomfortable about the chants. And that makes me feel uncomfortable about its wider impact, however it feels to us in the stadium at Tottenham”
As I say it’s inevitable for a number of reasons but the fact that the club itself has come out in the way it has is the game changer.
In effect you now have the view that use of the word is not appropriate the police , the club and ultimately the football authorities will crank up the pressure .
Now I know that some will become all Billy Big Bollo*** and will probably say they can’t stop everyone and yep that’s exactly what they will do.
Every seat, Every area is covered by CCTV . I wouldn’t expect that they in real time would eject but it’s possible to identify, to withdraw season tickets, etc but more likely would be the enforced playing behind closed doors .
Now I know that some point to recent the Chelsea game and the accusation made that there were incidents but I go back to the comment I made that if the claim was genuine then it was an easy one to report . If that didn’t happen that individual will carry on with his pathetic behaviour .
The problem is that far too many call out other clubs supporters who object to the use of the word but what’s obvious is that there will be far more attention and those that object simply aren’t going to go away.
Now before anyone puffs their chests out not that is desired or indeed welcomed but slowly but surely the wider Jewish populations view is going to have to be the only one that matters and not just Fred who claims to be Jewish and sits in front of Bill who is defiant and at 6foot 3 ins tall knows Fred is ok with him using the word.
In that article quoted earlier this bit will become a focus
“But when I speak to Jewish friends who obstinately support other teams – mostly Woolwich, some West Ham – they tell me they genuinely feel uncomfortable about the chants. And that makes me feel uncomfortable about its wider impact, however it feels to us in the stadium at Tottenham”
As I say it’s inevitable for a number of reasons but the fact that the club itself has come out in the way it has is the game changer.
In effect you now have the view that use of the word is not appropriate the police , the club and ultimately the football authorities will crank up the pressure .
Now I know that some will become all Billy Big Bollo*** and will probably say they can’t stop everyone and yep that’s exactly what they will do.
Every seat, Every area is covered by CCTV . I wouldn’t expect that they in real time would eject but it’s possible to identify, to withdraw season tickets, etc but more likely would be the enforced playing behind closed doors .
Now I know that some point to recent the Chelsea game and the accusation made that there were incidents but I go back to the comment I made that if the claim was genuine then it was an easy one to report . If that didn’t happen that individual will carry on with his pathetic behaviour .
The problem is that far too many call out other clubs supporters who object to the use of the word but what’s obvious is that there will be far more attention and those that object simply aren’t going to go away.
YIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII..................
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Now the agenda has been set (and we are the 'bad guys') certain Chelsea or West Ham fans will nazi salute and gas noise at every opportunity in order to force the issue.
And people were actually saying woke wasn't a real thing until recently.