He's been put into a situation that no other manager could navigate, and no other manager could get them to play football, haven't you heard?
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A lot of posters talking utter sh!t re: Frank, to be frank.
Complete bo!!ocks, much of it because of bias and another fcuking international break, to merely rubber stamp the inevitable.
Pochettino was close to the exit before he turned it round, with a mighty good set of players.
And we are nowhere near where we were under the nn-trophy winning manager of that time.
Weird fanbase.
Complete bo!!ocks, much of it because of bias and another fcuking international break, to merely rubber stamp the inevitable.
Pochettino was close to the exit before he turned it round, with a mighty good set of players.
And we are nowhere near where we were under the nn-trophy winning manager of that time.
Weird fanbase.
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Well he even says ''very very very'' on the official Spurs website, and I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about in this paragraph;
Spurs vs Villa | Every word of Thomas Frank's pre-match press conference
Thomas Frank spoke to the media at Hotspur Way on Friday afternoon, ahead of our Premier League clash against Aston Villa at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on Sunday (2pm). Here's what he had to say...
www.tottenhamhotspur.com
Poch effectively threw his senior players off the bus that first season.
The 11 players with the most minutes. Just put ages of 23 and under.
Eriksen -23
Lloris
Vertonghen
Kane - 21
Chadli
Rose
Mason - 23
Lamela -23
Dier -21
Bentaleb -20
Fazio
Dropped Kaboul, Paulinho, Soldado, Adebayor.
Just went with youth who were prepared to run through walls for him.
Crazy when you look back at it.
Let’s just sack every manager after a few bad results or performances then while missing half a team - very sensible idea.
Season minimum unless we are ahem 17th AGAIN in a few months.
Another season if we are better and going the right direction.
I was asked by a gooner whether I was still 'Frank In' - daft question in my opinion. Although I'm not totally convinced, I think it would be insane to get rid now. All managers need time to get used to the players at their disposal and to implement their ideas. I wasn't that impressed with Poch at first and got carried away with Ange's start to his career, so maybe I'm not the best judge.
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And it's not like the rest were very old either... doubt any of Chadli, Rose and Vertonghen were over 25.
I think most people, probably 90%+, are "Frank in". Seems to just be a vocal minority that actively want him gone.
Thing is, saying you want to get rid is only half the equation - we then have to attract a new manager mid-season that's an improvement.
Even if you want Frank gone it's hard to think of many, if any, top managers that would leave their club to join us mid-season, and there's no point replacing Frank unless we're very confident about his successor. I'm sure some people will say Iraola but even if we throw a ton of money at him I highly doubt he'd walk out on Bournemouth, especially since he apparently turned us down in the summer already.
Not to mention the damage sacking Frank when we're 5th in the table (albeit a bit fraudulently) would do to the reputation of the new leadership team. Not many good managers will want to join a club that's willing to sack a guy this early in his tenure when he's actually doing well on paper. Sticking with Frank for the whole season actively increases our chances of getting a better manager next summer if Frank proves to be a bust. Especially as most good managers only move in the summer anyway as they want a pre-season.
Even if you dislike Frank, logically it makes very very little sense to sack him any time soon. Would need to be an Ange-style 2nd season disaster where we're flirting with relegation to warrant a mid-season removal imo.
Thing is, saying you want to get rid is only half the equation - we then have to attract a new manager mid-season that's an improvement.
Even if you want Frank gone it's hard to think of many, if any, top managers that would leave their club to join us mid-season, and there's no point replacing Frank unless we're very confident about his successor. I'm sure some people will say Iraola but even if we throw a ton of money at him I highly doubt he'd walk out on Bournemouth, especially since he apparently turned us down in the summer already.
Not to mention the damage sacking Frank when we're 5th in the table (albeit a bit fraudulently) would do to the reputation of the new leadership team. Not many good managers will want to join a club that's willing to sack a guy this early in his tenure when he's actually doing well on paper. Sticking with Frank for the whole season actively increases our chances of getting a better manager next summer if Frank proves to be a bust. Especially as most good managers only move in the summer anyway as they want a pre-season.
Even if you dislike Frank, logically it makes very very little sense to sack him any time soon. Would need to be an Ange-style 2nd season disaster where we're flirting with relegation to warrant a mid-season removal imo.
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I agree, but I wouldn't even say as far down as 17th, I reckon below 12th and Frank will feel the walls closing in.
And I don't just mean Frank but probably any manager, it's a high pressure job, I can't recall the last time the club ended the season in the bottom half, other than last season.
Start of season Rose and Chadl were under 25. Jan was 27. Fazio 27.
Lloris the old man. 28!
If you want this manager sacked already then you're a fucking emotional self entitled attention seeking twat, just so you know
could be that or could be you just have an opinion idk
I may be wrong, but I have only seen one contributor here actively write that they would like Frank sacked now. At a push, I have read posts from one other who hinted at it.
It is a ridiculous position to have adopted at this stage of his tenure. We have been hugely disappointing at home, but we still sit 5th in the table and are doing well in the CL. I accept there are tough games to come, and our position is probably false, given how we've played.
My issue with Frank, as I have posted more than once, is a timidity in his approach, particularly at home. I'm hoping that is due to his still coming to grips with managing a big club, European Competition and injuries to key players. We have shown flashes of the potential this squad, as inadequate as it is, is capable of. When players come back from injury, and with a half decent transfer window, we will have a much better sense of where we are.
I expect us to be top 5 at season's end, and to go deep into the CL and FA cups.
It is a ridiculous position to have adopted at this stage of his tenure. We have been hugely disappointing at home, but we still sit 5th in the table and are doing well in the CL. I accept there are tough games to come, and our position is probably false, given how we've played.
My issue with Frank, as I have posted more than once, is a timidity in his approach, particularly at home. I'm hoping that is due to his still coming to grips with managing a big club, European Competition and injuries to key players. We have shown flashes of the potential this squad, as inadequate as it is, is capable of. When players come back from injury, and with a half decent transfer window, we will have a much better sense of where we are.
I expect us to be top 5 at season's end, and to go deep into the CL and FA cups.
I think Frank will naturally be under a lot of pressure if we're bottom half and performances are poor but I still don't see them sacking him tbh.
I think if he finishes the season around 12th, doesn't do well in the cups and there are zero signs of improvement then he won't get a second season. But I think we're unlikely to sack him mid-season to simply chase European football even if we're lower mid-table. I really don't think we'll make any changes unless we've got a long term replacement lined up and ready to go...and I just can't see that happening mid-season.
Might happen if he was a fiery Jose/Conte type who burned all his bridges at the club and lost the players. But Frank's not that type of manager.
well that’s that then, Percy clay expects..
We’ll not be top 5, we won’t go ‘deep’ in the CL (quarters at absolute best given a piss of a draw) and ditto the FA cup.
Also, we are ‘doing well’ in the CL courtesy of playing some absolute EL level dross, and our league position is hideously misleading because if (when) we lose to Woolwich we could drop to like 11th.
I still back Frank because you know .. hideously shit squad and situation to take over from and he’s had 5 minutes, but the happy clapper arguments are as hollow as fucking always.
I think that's definitely at the optimistic end of the scale.
At the start of the season I predicted 8th and the play-off round in the CL and I think that feels about right based on what I've seen so far. Provided we finish the season strongly and there are clear signs of growth, I'd be alright with giving him another season off the back of that.
I think for us to finish top 5 we'll need things to really click soon and make a couple of smart signings in Jan. With all these injuries and our wonky build-up play I think our form will be rocky for a while yet.
I'm an optimist.
We didn't play the absolute worst football ever seen though. It's miserable to watch and after a fortunate start, results are starting to balance out, because statistically, that was likely to happen.
Now we're getting shit football and the results are slowing up. Playing the way he does isn't sustainable as we give up more chances than we score. He can't pick the right team. He makes the wrong subs. It's been completely uninspiring. Feels like a matter of time. Another lifeless performance against Woolwich, and the pressure will really be on.
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OkIf you want this manager sacked already then you're a fucking emotional self entitled attention seeking twat, just so you know
I'm guessing 6th, but that could well be enough to qualify for the Europa League with a possible *5 CL places, due to England presently being top of the coefficient table (*Not including Villa or Forest who could win the Europa League this season).