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Are you Frank Out or In?

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BrightonSpurs said:
I doubt if it were still top 6-8, home form or otherwise
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Yeah but if home form doesn't massively improve we won't be top 6-8. We all know away results are gonna drop off.

And crap football + good results in front of your own crowd might keep him above water, but crap football + crap results at home will only have one ending, my friend.

Like I said, I'm on the fence. Always open to being won over. But I didn't want him from the start and said so at the time but accept Levy / ENIC dealt him a shite hand to begin with, so I'll see how the next month or so pans out.
 
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McCOYS said:
So the club employed a bloke who's an expert at sitting deep, and done relatively well at Brentford doing so, and have asked him to stop sitting deep, even though we employed him after being relatively successful in doing so, he doesn't have much of a CV in senior level football beyond Brentford.

Now there's a chance of the new manager at Brentford whose team is sitting deep, could surpass our team in the league with our sitting deep manager, not sitting deep.

Is that it?
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Yeah pretty much. Managing a big club who's expected to win most of their homes games brings a different pressure. Frank still hasn't adapted or found a solution yet. Lining up passively at home and allowing the other team have time on the ball isn't acceptable at a top club. That pressure never existed at Brentford. I've no doubt Andrews would have the exact same struggles if he was managing us.
 
Papafeels said:
We replaced those players with Tel, Kudus, Simons, and got Muani. Players wanted by the coach. So yes, I'd say replaced. Whether they're good enough or not is another question, but they're players he wanted.
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Tel was here 2nd half of last season.
So how the fuck was he replacement on Sonny for example?
And how has Muani been a replacement when he has been injured himself most of the time?

You are just a troll and very shit at that too.
Off to ignore you go.
 
harry7 said:
The clubs was handed on a silver platter the easiest Premier League season since its inception in 15/16. They scored the most goals, had the best defence - and managed to finish 3rd, 11 points behind Leicester. After early exists from all cup competitions, they won only 4 of their last 10 fixtures. A complete shit show.
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16/17 was where we scored the most and conceded the least.
 
GinolasLeftFoot said:
Try to have a sensible debate and you resort revisionism and and petty BS like this.

Just another brainless fuck knuckle, who's been snorting too much crack.

Enjoy your brain rotted BS.
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How dare you speak of Fozzie Bear in this way. 😡

It was Animal who was on the crack.

Loop Drumming GIF
 
harry7 said:
The only coach that went on to win something did so by sticking 2 fingers up to the board and doing things his way. If you don't give me the squad, I can't compete in all comps. - he was right, got the silverware and they fired him for it.
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That's actually a great point. Something for which in hindsight Ange deserves great credit. It's quite likely he's the one that brought about Levy's downfall. Something every Spurs fan should be grateful for.
 
I think if your Anti Frank or overly Pro Frank then your probably wrong. The truth is somewhere in the middle and its far too early to judge him. Away form has been elite and we are hard to beat. Home form as been horrific and we are a boring side to watch now.

I'd like to think we are all behind Frank though and hoping he can turn the home form around! If you've given up on him already then you really have to question your expectations and probably need to look at yourself as a supporter. But if you are totally pro Frank and freaking out at any criticism he gets then you aren't much better.
 
Tottenham Massive said:
That's actually a great point. Something for which in hindsight Ange deserves great credit. It's quite likely he's the one that brought about Levy's downfall. Something every Spurs fan should be grateful for.
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"Yes thank you Ange for getting rid of the face of the company who've been a problem for the longest, yet the company still own the club"

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Don Pedro said:
I think if your Anti Frank or overly Pro Frank then your probably wrong. The truth is somewhere in the middle and its far too early to judge him. Away form has been elite and we are hard to beat. Home form as been horrific and we are a boring side to watch now.

I'd like to think we are all behind Frank though and hoping he can turn the home form around! If you've given up on him already then you really have to question your expectations and probably need to look at yourself as a supporter. But if you are totally pro Frank and freaking out at any criticism he gets then you aren't much better.
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Hoping and wanting Frank to do well is not the same as what you expect to happen.

From what I've seen already I fear the worst.

The injuries to Solanke and Muani are the ones that are killing him.

With a fit Solanke, from the start of the season, Spurs have more points at this stage; in my opinion.

The problem Frank has is the Woolwich game off the back of that performance against Chelsea.

The result and performance in the Woolwich game will frame how Frank is perceived going forward.

Another Chelsea / Bournemouth display, or a good lumping, and I reckon he is toast.

Not if but when.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Hoping and wanting Frank to do well is not the same as what you expect to happen.

From what I've seen already I fear the worst.

The injuries to Solanke and Muani are the ones that are killing him.

With a fit Solanke, from the start of the season, Spurs have more points at this stage; in my opinion.

The problem Frank has is the Woolwich game off the back of that performance against Chelsea.

The result and performance in the Woolwich game will frame how Frank is perceived going forward.

Another Chelsea / Bournemouth display, or a good lumping, and I reckon he is toast.

Not if but when.
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Its a huge game and could define his reputation with the spurs fans for good. But I think regardless of that result, he will get the full season and will still have ample time to turn it around.
 
Don Pedro said:
Its a huge game and could define his reputation with the spurs fans for good. But I think regardless of that result, he will get the full season and will still have ample time to turn it around.
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That would be the preferred option of the board but these things have a habit of moving quickly in modern football.

The board sacked Levy so my guess is anything is possible.

Especially if Frank was a Levy pick.
 
Don Pedro said:
Yeah pretty much. Managing a big club who's expected to win most of their homes games brings a different pressure. Frank still hasn't adapted or found a solution yet. Lining up passively at home and allowing the other team have time on the ball isn't acceptable at a top club. That pressure never existed at Brentford. I've no doubt Andrews would have the exact same struggles if he was managing us.
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But Mourinho had our team sitting deep, didn't he? So I'm not sure that it's only a manager in a lower level club like Brentford that play the sit deep game. We got Pochettino from Southampton another lower than us club, I don't recall him being known for sitting deep when he was there, or here. Then there's Redknapp, we're the biggest team he managed but he wasn't known for sitting deep at his previous clubs.

If we've gone and hired a manager known for sitting deep, and want him to have the team playing on the front foot, we've made the same mistake as when we hired Nuno.

So I respectfully disagree with you.
 
Brent said:
Football these days seem to be all about stats. I'm not big on stat, but that through ball stats is horrendous - only two for the whole season!

Then, in trying to understand the stat, I came across this: Through-balls in the Premier League

Interesting thing is through-balls reached it's peak more than a decade ago! During that time ManCity attempted the most through-balls: 321 in total, of which 75 were successful, 44 led to a shot on goal and 13 goals were scored!

The same season, 2011/2012 as it were, the cunts up the road attempted 293 through-balls, 87 were sussesfull, 53 led to shots and only 24 goals were scored!

So how crucial is it to coach through-balls?

Needles to say, I 'm still not big on stats
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I find that anything that turns defences to be a good thing.

For me not everything is about goals.

I just wonder how many of those through balls are nit caused chaos in the opposition defence.
 
McCOYS said:
But Mourinho had our team sitting deep, didn't he? So I'm not sure that it's only a manager in a lower level club like Brentford that play the sit deep game. We got Pochettino from Southampton another lower than us club, I don't recall him being known for sitting deep when he was there, or here. Then there's Redknapp, we're the biggest team he managed but he wasn't known for sitting deep at his previous clubs.

If we've gone and hired a manager known for sitting deep, and want him to have the team playing on the front foot, we've made the same mistake as when we hired Nuno.

So I respectfully disagree with you.
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Frank's defensive line is higher than Ange's was so it's not really about sitting deep...
 
Ange got time, so Frank should too…..

Ange got time because after 11 games in his first season, trying to unfuck the whole managerial shite from the previous season and having lost our best player, he had us near the top of the league. Not playing like Brazil 1970, but doing well enough.

Frank is doing worse than that. Better than last season, but worse than Ange’s first.

Anyone doing the comparison between last season and this, can’t be also using the “give him time argument”, as it’s disingenuous and a bit dim.
 
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