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Manager Thomas Frank
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Haha always a delight! Last season we won the EL, spirits were high at the club over the summer, now it's in another horrible lull, and with what's being asked of the players, I get it.
I probably watched them once or twice when they were on the tv. How is your opinion more credible than mine, did you watch all of their games big man?
Obtuse, no, I give reasons why it's clearly not going to work, and despite your "stats stats stats" crap, stats tell the story of what happens on a football pitch, and ours makes for grim fucking reading. Obtuse is blindly defending that, with no logic other than "he had a difficult position when he came in", which is total bullshit. That's obtuse.
We also had a full first XI out for a large chunk of the season, a full defence missing nearly all of it. Yes tactics were shit, the manager had to go,but no one is winning games with Davies and Gray as CB's.
The only reason we're not in the same situation as last year right now, is sheer blind luck. We're by a country mile the biggest overachievers in the league at both ends of the pitch, way ahead. We're 18th in shots. We play one way, which is abysmal.
Oh, I get football. Most of this forum must be in denial, because it's frighteningly obvious this isn't working. Home fans aren't going to put up with paying the highest ticket prices, worst football and no results. Aside from our performances being unsustainable, which I said would happen, the fans will make it more so.
Are you going to be so chest out of we get embarrassed like we did against Chelsea at the weekend, or are your expectations so low now, that you don't mind taking a beating? If so, that's just sad.
For all the abuse I get, I've been saying the same thing for weeks, while you call me whatever you want, but I haven't been wrong, it's all coming to pass, because 1. I have eyes and 2. The stats say that we couldn't keep going like we were. We also had a very easy opening run, and, as soon as it got hard, wheels have come off, like I said would happen.
Instead of telling me how I don't understand, even though I've not been proven wrong on anything, why don't you explain to me how I'm wrong and know nothing? This will be a hilarious exercise. Why, with metrics backing my opinion up, is it any more outlandish than a manager being out of his element, than overnight we suddenly improve and start playing in a completely different manner? It's been long enough now that we know what he's about. He spent the guts of £200m and got two first team loan players in, that he wanted. And this is the absolute worst version of Spurs I've seen, probably ever.
The way some of you go on about a manager is so strange. You can rip on the board, players, fans, but anything gets mentioned about a coach and people lose their fucking minds. It's like a weird cult. They just pick the team and the tactics. They're not the whole club you melon.
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Will you be blaming this thread for a loss in the NLD?
Yes, this thread will be the ruining of Thomas Frank, not how badly we've performed.
Come on dude. The guy is getting questions asked of him, because of how poor we are, not because of a thread on a forum
I didn't see this before I replied. Absolutely wild. That's a new one for me, blaming one thread on a forum for mounting pressure on him. Couldn't write it.
If you think of we get embarrassed at the weekend that it shouldn't have any sentiment on Frank, you're in a cult.
In the past tickets only went “live” on the exchange when the match sold out.
I thought they were just struggling to sell tickets to members at the moment hence exchange want open.
Have they changed this now so they just open the exchange before it’s sold out?
That's true, but what a thread and how much it has revealed about some posters.
I fcuking despise being classified as a Spurs fan with some of those who are only here for one reason.
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I hate the illogical happy clappers too. Don't fret.
The difference as I see it is that next to nobody is saying all is good, and that Frank can have an eternity to get things right, which is very different from the opposite corner,where some posters are already shouting failure and change, and would rather be proved right than see the club they say they support ,doing well.
There is a chasm in terms of reasonable, probably due to the impact of Covid, climate change, entitlement or crass stupidity. Take your pick at the most likely of the 4 options. Choose any that apply. Not limited to one choice. You see I am reasonable.
Either way I am fcuking sick of the crap some posters write, in particular 2 or 3, but I can deal with their sh!t.
And when we lose on Sunday, I will do my utmost to ensure their inevitable crap is not allowed to hold sway without some degree of balance.
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It doesn't help anyway. Creates this sense of already counting down his days even though he's only in the door. Can we not just accept that he deserves a full season regardless of how he's started?Yes, this thread will be the ruining of Thomas Frank, not how badly we've performed.
Come on dude. The guy is getting questions asked of him, because of how poor we are, not because of a thread on a forum
Rather than creating this panic and a sense of dread. Also our fanbase are so used to sacking managers now that there is this rush to be the first ones on the bandwagon, so that they can do the whole "I told you so" when more people "change sides". And these sort of threads just speed up that process when its not really necessary.
And I'm far from a Frank sympathizer. I was against him from day 1 and have been vocal about his tactics at home. But he obviously should get the season before we make any firm decisions.
Um... Without wanting to weigh into yet another Spurs fan sacky sack orgy the numbers suggest we were travelling far better this time last season:
In the 12 League games up to an including the win against City on November 23rd 2024 Spurs had an xG of 26.44, and an xGA of 16,52..
Conversely in the 10 league games so far this season Spurs have an xG of 11.39 and an xGA of 14.02
And if the below is true it's juts more grist to the mill.
We were performing at a much higher level this time last year and were underperforming our Expected Points largely due to some terrible individual defensive errors.
Having said all that we did have Solanke, Maddison and Kulusesvki playing which makes quite a big difference I'd hope.
I just checked back.....
You're the 2nd most prolific poster in the thread
Ok over to YOU now
which games did we lose unlucky points in at the start of last season?
There obviously were nil because neither he nor the other Frank hater have mentioned any
That is just an assumption not based off facts.
xG and xGA accounts for all of these errors (as long as the errors turn into shot attempts). By the same logic, you could say our xG was only so high because of opposition errors. But again, that would be based on someone's opinion and not anything factual.
A more likely reason we underperformed xP at the early part of last season is because we were terrible at managing games.
Through 12 matchweeks last season (a convenient cutoff because we were statistically dreadful after that), we were 0-0-5 in 1 goal games. We were 6-0-0 in games decided by 2 or more goals. While some of that was variation (which I thought it was at the time and was wrong), over the course of the year we showed we were poor in managing games, which cumulative xG/xGA by itself doesn't calculate. We won 1 league match all season by 1 goal and lost 15. I would wager a significant bet that there was a significant difference in our xG/xGA when we were winning by 1+ goals or losing by 2+ goals compared to when the score was level or we were losing by 1. In the league, we were really good at scoring meaningless goals and really bad at scoring meaningful goals.
What's this supposed to mean?
If you think you're helping or supporting Frank by denying obvious statistical fact then I'd gently suggest you're this guy:
Acknowledging that Frank's early tenure is suffering understandable teething problems is just being normal. Neither you nor Papafeels are being normal.