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Almost to a man they are under performing and the only reason for me, that it can be is the manager.

The evidence suggests otherwise.

Pedro Porro is a poor defender and Vicario is also a poor goalkeeper.

These two players, along with Romero, often cost Spurs goals.

Goals change games.

What we saw yesterday was Spurs defensive weakness being exposed.

What Vicario did was inexplicable.

Not for the first time either.
 
Having slept on it, I'm still of the view that Frank needs to go. Last night's game was the last straw. We have no identity. The big selling point for

Let's be honest, the NLD defeat was the last straw. For me, the nature and manner of the defeat ended Frank's tenure there and then. For me it's simply prolonging the torture whilst he limps to a sacking.

He won't turn it around from here.
 
Let's be honest, the NLD defeat was the last straw. For me, the nature and manner of the defeat ended Frank's tenure there and then. For me it's simply prolonging the torture whilst he limps to a sacking.

He won't turn it around from here.

Chelsea was the start of this.

Woolwich confirmed our status as mid table or worse.

Fulham points to worse rather than mid table.

Newcastle on Tuesday could be the baloon going up.

I can only see a good lumping.
 
The evidence suggests otherwise.

Pedro Porro is a poor defender and Vicario is also a poor goalkeeper.

These two players, along with Romero, often cost Spurs goals.

Goals change games.

What we saw yesterday was Spurs defensive weakness being exposed.

What Vicario did was inexplicable.

Not for the first time either.
I can't argue with that, but my point/question is the players we have are under performing almost to a man and our squad isn't as bad as our performances and league position show, so why?
 
Our fanbase has been fickle for a long time. It has definitely got worse since the move to the new stadium.

Who would have thought that gentrifying the fan base would negatively impact on our atmosphere (rhetorical question).

It can't have come as a shock to the Levy/the owners that replacing lairy pissed up 18-30 year olds with middle aged tourists and day trippers impacts on fan engagement.
Spot on. The club have actively sought to replace legacy fans with new world customers. Funnily enough the latter behave like consumers not supporters. At £100+ pp for their day out (£4-500 for a family FFS!) they look at their experience quite differently.
 
Anges biggest defenders keep insisting we lost 22 league games last season because we binned it off on purpose.

Some winners mentality.

Tottenham's starting back 5 (Vic; Porro; Cuti; VDV; Udogie) returned to selection availability on Thursday 6th March, 2025 when we played AZ Alkmaar away. VDV and Romero were unused subs and Porro came off the bench in a 1-0 loss (which was to be our last loss in Europe fwiw)

In the following 3 months of football, that Back 5 would never once start a Premier league game together.

In fact Romero and VDV would only start TWO premier league games together as a partnership for the rest of the league season despite being fit and available for all of them (those two games were Chelsea away and Forest at home in which both were subbed at half time!).

However:

That Back 5 would start every single remaining European game except the first one (AZ at home where Spence started for Udogie). Every single game on the way to Bilbao.

We played Danso and Davies regularly in the league with Romero and VDV on the bench.

If you can't see that this was a deliberate selection policy to give Tottenham Hotspur the best possible chance of progressing through the Europa League even at the expense of league position then I don't know what to tell you.

And we won. I can guarantee you that. I was there.

You may not approve of the selection policy. You may not approve of prioritising the Trophy over Wolves away or Liverpool away (where we started Spence, Danso, Davies with Romero, VDV and Porro unused subs in a 5-1 thrashing) - but to deny it actually happened is quite bizarre. 🤷‍♂️
 
I am sorry I am not having this blaming the fan base, or the fan base is toxic. Absolute bollocks. We have one of the most patient fan bases around. All fanbases act like cunts if the team is utter garbage.

Do you honestly think the scum fan base deserve their team right now? Look at AFTV for the last decade. They hated the team, the board, protests, slagging the players off. Now they are all loving it because their team has bollocks and are actually good.

It all stems from the manager and the players. It is on them to give the crowd a boost and the crowd will then return in kind.

What did the crowd do to warrant being 2 nil down last night? What did the away fans do to deserve being battered by Woolwich? What did the home fans do to deserve seeing the team not lay a glove on Chelsea for 90 minutes? The crowd were fine before kick off, and then the joy is sucked out of the crowd by the utter shit team they have to watch.

People go on about Liverpool fans. It's easy to be the best fans in the country when you're winning. Watch now they are struggling, how toxic it gets up there.

In essence, blaming the fans is bollocks. It has nothing to do with the fans, and they have a right to boo Vicario. He needs to grow some bollocks. Wtf was he thinking? the most braindead decision I've ever seen.

Fuck the players and fuck Frank. We will be here long after they've all fucked off.
 
Tottenham's starting back 5 (Vic; Porro; Cuti; VDV; Udogie) returned to selection availability on Thursday 6th March, 2025 when we played AZ Alkmaar away. VDV and Romero were unused subs and Porro came off the bench in a 1-0 loss (which was to be our last loss in Europe fwiw)

In the following 3 months of football, that Back 5 would never once start a Premier league game together.

In fact Romero and VDV would only start TWO premier league games together as a partnership for the rest of the league season despite being fit and available for all of them (those two games were Chelsea away and Forest at home in which both were subbed at half time!).

However:

That Back 5 would start every single remaining European game except the first one (AZ at home where Spence started for Udogie). Every single game on the way to Bilbao.

We played Danso and Davies regularly in the league with Romero and VDV on the bench.

If you can't see that this was a deliberate selection policy to give Tottenham Hotspur the best possible chance of progressing through the Europa League even at the expense of league position then I don't know what to tell you.

And we won. I can't guarantee you that. I was there.

You may not approve of the selection policy. You may not approve of prioritising the Trophy over Wolves away or Liverpool away (where we started Spence, Danso, Davies with Romero, VDV and Porro unused subs in a 5-1 thrashing) - but to deny it actually happened is quite bizarre. 🤷‍♂️
Fine.

But deciding that a record number of defeats is okay or doesn't matter isn't a winners mentality in any definition I can think of. It's quite the opposite.
 
I can't argue with that, but my point/question is the players we have are under performing almost to a man and our squad isn't as bad as our performances and league position show, so why?

It's because they are shit.

Thomas Frank is also shit.

His highest Premier League finish was 9th with Brentford.

You need to prove to the rest of us that; " our squad isn't as bad as our performances and league position show,"

The league table, after 38 games, does not lie.

This team were 17th last season for a reason.

All that has changed is that we have replaced one poor manager with another poor manager and sacked a very poor chairman.

With the exception of Palhinha, and to a lesser extent Kudus, no new player has consistently played well and the same players who let us down last season, and the season before that; are still letting us down.

This was predictable and not a suprise if you have been paying attention.

These players are not good enough.
 
I am sorry I am not having this blaming the fan base, or the fan base is toxic. Absolute bollocks. We have one of the most patient fan bases around. All fanbases act like cunts if the team is utter garbage.

Do you honestly think the scum fan base deserve their team right now? Look at AFTV for the last decade. They hated the team, the board, protests, slagging the players off. Now they are all loving it because their team has bollocks and are actually good.

It all stems from the manager and the players. It is on them to give the crowd a boost and the crowd will then return in kind.

What did the crowd do to warrant being 2 nil down last night? What did the away fans do to deserve being battered by Woolwich? What did the home fans do to deserve seeing the team not lay a glove on Chelsea for 90 minutes? The crowd were fine before kick off, and then the joy is sucked out of the crowd by the utter shit team they have to watch.

People go on about Liverpool fans. It's easy to be the best fans in the country when you're winning. Watch now they are struggling, how toxic it gets up there.

In essence, blaming the fans is bollocks. It has nothing to do with the fans, and they have a right to boo Vicario. He needs to grow some bollocks. Wtf was he thinking? the most braindead decision I've ever seen.

Fuck the players and fuck Frank. We will be here long after they've all fucked off.

You started off this post by insisting that this fanbase isn't toxic and ended up saying fuck the players and fuck Frank, brilliant 😆
 
Fine.

But deciding that a record number of defeats is okay or doesn't matter isn't a winners mentality in any definition I can think of. It's quite the opposite.

Fine. I disagree. I believe that this:

:angecup:

was the single most important monkey to get off our backs. And we did it. And if it cost us 17th over a top half league finish I would snap your hand off for the chance to do it all over again.

It's quite bizarre anyone would think otherwise.
 
Tottenham's starting back 5 (Vic; Porro; Cuti; VDV; Udogie) returned to selection availability on Thursday 6th March, 2025 when we played AZ Alkmaar away. VDV and Romero were unused subs and Porro came off the bench in a 1-0 loss (which was to be our last loss in Europe fwiw)

In the following 3 months of football, that Back 5 would never once start a Premier league game together.

In fact Romero and VDV would only start TWO premier league games together as a partnership for the rest of the league season despite being fit and available for all of them (those two games were Chelsea away and Forest at home in which both were subbed at half time!).

However:

That Back 5 would start every single remaining European game except the first one (AZ at home where Spence started for Udogie). Every single game on the way to Bilbao.

We played Danso and Davies regularly in the league with Romero and VDV on the bench.

If you can't see that this was a deliberate selection policy to give Tottenham Hotspur the best possible chance of progressing through the Europa League even at the expense of league position then I don't know what to tell you.

And we won. I can guarantee you that. I was there.

You may not approve of the selection policy. You may not approve of prioritising the Trophy over Wolves away or Liverpool away (where we started Spence, Danso, Davies with Romero, VDV and Porro unused subs in a 5-1 thrashing) - but to deny it actually happened is quite bizarre. 🤷‍♂️
Ange’s suicidal tactics were fundamental in the lack of availability of the back five.
 
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