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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Kiro Kompiro said:
I don't know if that's true. If we were in the mix for top 4, playing Frank-ball, would anyone be saying "Get Rid"?
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I agree. If we were 4th but playing dull boring shit I could forgive it... I think we would all take 1-0 wins with set piece goals over Woolwich and Chavs.
All hyperthetical as we are in the bottom half of the table playing dull boring shit whilst being told we are crap and Sunderland (a team who finished 4th in the Championship last season) are better than us.
 
postbox said:
Agreed

His comments on missing players bothered me

His comments on not enjoying it don't bother me at all, I can see what he's saying
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Indeed.

The bit for me and you have touched on it,is that nobody or most people would not mind us losing games if we were seeing positive signs of what is to come, once we acquire those objectively better players.

A philosophy is a philosophy, so whilst it might need higher grade players to make it work at its optimum I don't see amy sign that provides optimism. If anything the style of play is a big worry.

And again we have a manager who knows what to say but talks future tense without any indication of milestones.

And prospective targets must surely be enticed by a model which they can envisage being part of. What model would Frank sell to any player in the way I am sure Glasner sold to Johnson?

It needs to get better on the pitch very quickly, with something tangible that is able to be understood and seen as having the capacity to succeed. The future needs to be here in the next 12 to 18 months.
 
Thing is, if he changes what he's doing to please the fans is that a good sign?

Would Fergie, Mourinho, Pep bow to fan pressure?

I would love to see us be more forward thinking but because the manager has a plan to, not just because he's essentially deferred decisions to the fans.

Puts him in a bit of a no win scenario here, albeit one of his own making.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
Thing is, if he changes what he's doing to please the fans is that a good sign?

Would Fergie, Mourinho, Pep bow to fan pressure?

I would love to see us be more forward thinking but because the manager has a plan to, not just because he's essentially deferred decisions to the fans.

Puts him in a bit of a no win scenario here, albeit one of his own making.
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This is exactly the problem and the same one we had with Ange, Nuno, Mourinho and to an extent Conte. Managers have their own idea of football and you have to make sure it matches with the club ethos before you hire them.

Frank knows how to play Frankball. Ange knows how to play Angeball. Asking them to change is just admitting they are the wrong man for the job. If you want a manager to deviate from their principles then it’s better just to sack them, they will never be able to effectively implement something they don’t believe in. We saw Nuno try to implement the Tottenham way and it was diabolical, he didn’t know what to do.

We saw the opposite with Ange at Forest, he simply refused to change. Even though he just won a trophy by sitting deep and hoofing the ball away, at the request of his players, when he went to Forest he went straight back to suicide-ball even though the squad he had was perfect for that caveman football. The result was a humiliating run of results and a record-breakingly fast sacking.

This failure to ensure managers match the football identity of the club is the reason Levy had to sack so many of them. When he found one that DID match, like Jol, Redknapp and Poch, it worked. It’s not fucking rocket science. Tottenham should be playing bold but smart football. Not kamikaze Ardiles/Ange stuff or turgid Frank/Nuno.
 
StripiestPilot said:
This is exactly the problem and the same one we had with Ange, Nuno, Mourinho and to an extent Conte. Managers have their own idea of football and you have to make sure it matches with the club ethos before you hire them.

Frank knows how to play Frankball. Ange knows how to play Angeball. Asking them to change is just admitting they are the wrong man for the job. If you want a manager to deviate from their principles then it’s better just to sack them, they will never be able to effectively implement something they don’t believe in. We saw Nuno try to implement the Tottenham way and it was diabolical, he didn’t know what to do.

We saw the opposite with Ange at Forest, he simply refused to change. Even though he just won a trophy by sitting deep and hoofing the ball away, at the request of his players, when he went to Forest he went straight back to suicide-ball even though the squad he had was perfect for that caveman football. The result was a humiliating run of results and a record-breakingly fast sacking.

This failure to ensure managers match the football identity of the club is the reason Levy had to sack so many of them. When he found one that DID match, like Jol, Redknapp and Poch, it worked. It’s not fucking rocket science. Tottenham should be playing bold but smart football. Not kamikaze Ardiles/Ange stuff or turgid Frank/Nuno.
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Is Frank even playing the football he talked about wanting to play though?
If anything it’s like he is so scared of losing that he won’t take any risks that you need to do to have a chance of winning.
I remember his quote “to not take risks is to take risks”
I think as a fan base if we could see some signs of how Frank wants us to play and that it was just a player issue we would be a lot more forgiving , it’s the fact that we are time wasting when 0-0 away to Brentford and playing boring football.
 
StripiestPilot said:
This is exactly the problem and the same one we had with Ange, Nuno, Mourinho and to an extent Conte. Managers have their own idea of football and you have to make sure it matches with the club ethos before you hire them.

Frank knows how to play Frankball. Ange knows how to play Angeball. Asking them to change is just admitting they are the wrong man for the job. If you want a manager to deviate from their principles then it’s better just to sack them, they will never be able to effectively implement something they don’t believe in. We saw Nuno try to implement the Tottenham way and it was diabolical, he didn’t know what to do.

We saw the opposite with Ange at Forest, he simply refused to change. Even though he just won a trophy by sitting deep and hoofing the ball away, at the request of his players, when he went to Forest he went straight back to suicide-ball even though the squad he had was perfect for that caveman football. The result was a humiliating run of results and a record-breakingly fast sacking.

This failure to ensure managers match the football identity of the club is the reason Levy had to sack so many of them. When he found one that DID match, like Jol, Redknapp and Poch, it worked. It’s not fucking rocket science. Tottenham should be playing bold but smart football. Not kamikaze Ardiles/Ange stuff or turgid Frank/Nuno.
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I'm not sure about this club identity or ethos stuff. Conte had fans in the stadium eating out of his hand for a full year because even if it wasn't pretty the intensity and results were there.

I'd rather lose playing pretty than lose playing like Stoke, sure, but I'd rather win playing any way than losing.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
Thing is, if he changes what he's doing to please the fans is that a good sign?

Would Fergie, Mourinho, Pep bow to fan pressure?

I would love to see us be more forward thinking but because the manager has a plan to, not just because he's essentially deferred decisions to the fans.

Puts him in a bit of a no win scenario here, albeit one of his own making.
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I stopped reading when you attempted to shoehorn Frank into a Mount Rushmore of PL managerial greats.
 
_mehstg said:
I stopped reading when you attempted to shoehorn Frank into a Mount Rushmore of PL managerial greats.
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Just pop me on ignore because you're a boring cunt.

If you'd bothered to read, if you're capable, you would see I wasn't directly comparing Frank to them and that wasn't the point. In fact if you had a single working brain cell you'd realise I was criticising Frank for painting himself into a dead end, not somehow praising him .

Now go back and play with your Lego. That's more your level
 
JimothyCF14 said:
Just pop me on ignore because you're a boring cunt.

If you'd bothered to read, if you're capable, you would see I wasn't directly comparing Frank to them and that wasn't the point. In fact if you had a single working brain cell you'd realise I was criticising Frank for painting himself into a dead end, not somehow praising him .

Now go back and play with your Lego. That's more your level
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Never fails to amazed ne how people can't make a point of emphasis without the need for unnecessary and pointed expletives.

Time and place surely.
 
Fattynomates said:
Is Frank even playing the football he talked about wanting to play though?
If anything it’s like he is so scared of losing that he won’t take any risks that you need to do to have a chance of winning.
I remember his quote “to not take risks is to take risks”
I think as a fan base if we could see some signs of how Frank wants us to play and that it was just a player issue we would be a lot more forgiving , it’s the fact that we are time wasting when 0-0 away to Brentford and playing boring football.
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Talk is cheap, Frank came out with that quote months ago before the going got tough. Now he’s talking about not wanting to open up too much in case it risks the clean sheet.

The way the team plays is the best way to judge a manager, not what they say in press conferences. Frank wants us to play exactly as we are, he still has the small club mentality from Brentford. Protect the clean sheet and try to eke out a win playing the percentages. A good way to survive in the PL, no doubt. Not a good way to finish in the top 5.
 
What a total misfit is Frank.He says he is not enjoying being manager of spurs.Well let me tell you Frank we are not enjoying what you call football.Easy to remedy RESIGN..He talks in riddles to try and cover up the fact he is out of his depth
 
StripiestPilot said:
This is exactly the problem and the same one we had with Ange, Nuno, Mourinho and to an extent Conte. Managers have their own idea of football and you have to make sure it matches with the club ethos before you hire them.

Frank knows how to play Frankball. Ange knows how to play Angeball. Asking them to change is just admitting they are the wrong man for the job. If you want a manager to deviate from their principles then it’s better just to sack them, they will never be able to effectively implement something they don’t believe in. We saw Nuno try to implement the Tottenham way and it was diabolical, he didn’t know what to do.

We saw the opposite with Ange at Forest, he simply refused to change. Even though he just won a trophy by sitting deep and hoofing the ball away, at the request of his players, when he went to Forest he went straight back to suicide-ball even though the squad he had was perfect for that caveman football. The result was a humiliating run of results and a record-breakingly fast sacking.

This failure to ensure managers match the football identity of the club is the reason Levy had to sack so many of them. When he found one that DID match, like Jol, Redknapp and Poch, it worked. It’s not fucking rocket science. Tottenham should be playing bold but smart football. Not kamikaze Ardiles/Ange stuff or turgid Frank/Nuno.
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I agree and have always been surprised how little the club get this.

So who does that leave that fits us?

Pochettino- the obvious pick
Xavi Hernandez - a gamble
Xabi Alonso - if Real sack him and Pool don’t move for him
Iraola - from the Poch school
 
I've been away for a while as my life got incredibly busy from early October and ive been juggling so much.

I can't claim to have watched every minute of every game during that time but ive probably seen 3/4's of our games in that time.

Very much going against the grain but I voted frank to stay. He is suffering badly right now and the football has been terrible but I think we need to stick with the guy for the season at least to see if he can work through it and overcome our problems.

I think comfortably most the problem is the players. We have many players we are having to rely on that are just not good enough right now and possibly never will be. On top of that the signings we have made have underwhelmed and struggled to bed in well.

As the defeats started along with the inevitable injuries frank has retreated and hit 'protection mode'. The emphasis is not on dominating, free flowing attacking football but instead on trying not to lose and defensive solidness. Far too often we punt it forward hopefully and lose the ball with forward players having zero support which ends up in our general style of attack being the odd 'lone wolf' style attack which breaks down.

We desperately need a cultured CM and a LW of stature who are both ready now.

Lastly I have been shocked at the stupidity and rashness of our so called experienced players. Palhinha aside I think they have been weak, stupid, rash and severely lacking in being the steady hand and calm heads in what is a largely young group.
 
Whether people like it or not - Kulu, Maddison, Solanke is a big miss. Combined the trio have 39 PL goal contribution from 2024/25 season. Thats a big miss. Now, add Son & Johnson to that list.

Attacking side we have now is completely inexperienced & unproven.

I hate Thomas Frank style for starters.... But , if he can be replaced by a manager and things will change ? NO

XI needs proper progressive no6 and no10. Xavi has largely failed in no10 but has shown something in last month or so.

We have kept 7 cleansheets in 19 games this season in PL. So, all is not bad.

IMO, we should improve the XI this window and hope injured players are back. May be Frank improves with in in 2nd half.

Having said that, if there is a exceptional manager available, I dont mind switching Frank.
 
I can't stop thinking about the latest Thomas Frank interview. It worries me beyond belief.

He is blaming our attacking play on the high amount of unforced errors. So his message to our players is to be even more safe on the ball and just not give the ball away cheaply? We lack any industry and creativity and he seems to just be doubling down on this approach. It's going to get worse and worse.

I've an awful feeling about the Sunderland game tomorrow. Another 0-0 draw is very possible.
 
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