The are happy to accept being a mid table team with nice facilities
Fulham on steroids is their model. Frank is perfect for that. Probably explains why there were rumours that Silva would be looked at if Frank did leave.
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The are happy to accept being a mid table team with nice facilities
Fulham on steroids is their model. Frank is perfect for that. Probably explains why there were rumours that Silva would be looked at if Frank did leave.
Really?
Digging out the fans every week?
Saying the team isn’t a real Champions League team because they only won the Europa League?
Constant sly ways to absolve himself of blame whilst throwing the players under the bus?
Saying he wants to play free flowing football when his tactics in MF suggest he’s trying to do the opposite and gaslighting everyone?
Objectively, there’s plenty of things he’s said that people could take issue with if they wanted to.
If the results were better then it wouldn’t matter but he’s not helping himself and the team on or off the pitch atm.
He could still fix it, even if Ive lost belief that he will, but to do that he’s going to need to give fans something to hope for on the pitch and with the things he says.
The only reason i dont want Frank to get sacked is that i believe it hurts us more in the long run to keep changing manager.
Frank has showed soo little and i surely wont miss him if he gets sacked.
But there is also something completely wrong with this team. Something that is not directly Franks fault.
Why are we so terrible most of the time. Clueless and passive. No initiative from anybody. No shots on goal. So many misplaced passes. Part of it is probably the coaches. But the examples
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give above are not Franks fault alone. The players have the same loser mentality they've had for so long. Giving up and feeling sorry for themselves.
The booing and criticizing by fans has likely strenghtened the players pathetic and childish behaviour of feeling unfairly treated.
No matter the manager, we will never be any better with this paper thin squad and injuries to our only quality players. The terrible mentality has and still is our biggest issue.
Frank has showed soo little and i surely wont miss him if he gets sacked.
But there is also something completely wrong with this team. Something that is not directly Franks fault.
Why are we so terrible most of the time. Clueless and passive. No initiative from anybody. No shots on goal. So many misplaced passes. Part of it is probably the coaches. But the examples
Shelf530
give above are not Franks fault alone. The players have the same loser mentality they've had for so long. Giving up and feeling sorry for themselves. The booing and criticizing by fans has likely strenghtened the players pathetic and childish behaviour of feeling unfairly treated.
No matter the manager, we will never be any better with this paper thin squad and injuries to our only quality players. The terrible mentality has and still is our biggest issue.
Meh - like I said I don't think anyone objective would think him defending Vic from being booed is "digging out the fans". People subjectively attached to Spurs would feel otherwise.
I'm not sure he's thrown players under the bus. And I think he thinks he IS trying to get us to play "free flowing football" but by bypassing midfield altogether because that's always been his way. (not my type of football but its always been his so... get what you hire I guess, and it's worked for him in the past)
I'm not defending Frank here mind you. Like I get that Spurs fans would be irritated. Personally the only big misstep I think he's made in the media was referring back to the 17th place finish and even that is more because I don't think senior players like Romero, VDV, Vic and Udogie would feel responsible for that as they were injured for most of the losses then not played together as a unit for the last three months of the campaign.
I think he's under a lot of pressure and probably handled it better than the last guy. So far...
But he absolutely needs results and quickly. People literally don't give a shit what the manager says when we're winning.
I think you’re being optimistic and there’s no appetite internally for a change already. It will take 4 or 5 home matches culminating in boos before they entertain it. Those involved in his appointment have too much to lose by sacking him now. Self preservation will be in full effect at thx towers like usual
Lose next two games and they might change their stance.
But we really aren't an ambitious Club at all, even with Levy gone nothing changes.
Is he wrong though?!
Going into the transfer window I’d rather he said what he did than act like everything in the garden is rosy.
I think there’s a degree of picking apart everything he’s said just to add to the narrative by those who want him out.
So far I don’t think he’s said anything to piss if the board like Amorim, Maresca or Cunte torching the place.
Plod along til summer unless we lose 5 in a row - this is what I thought would happen tbh. Like John was saying on the pod - treat Frank as the caretaker manager til the summer then get someone else in who fits the club properly.
I see no logic sacking him now with this shit team to get a caretaker in for a few months. Its already January.
We will watch crap football for the next few months regardless I think.
We should absolutely still be signing better players this month though regardless of the Manager situation - we need a LB, Midfielder who can pass and a LW. Any Manager will know this and they should be signing the required quality that any manager can work with.
I see no logic sacking him now with this shit team to get a caretaker in for a few months. Its already January.
We will watch crap football for the next few months regardless I think.
We should absolutely still be signing better players this month though regardless of the Manager situation - we need a LB, Midfielder who can pass and a LW. Any Manager will know this and they should be signing the required quality that any manager can work with.
He’s so right & it’s what a lot of us were saying anyway .. the sane ones.
You have to have a lot more quality to finish top 4 or even 5 than you do to win last years Europa league.
Some more Brenford-Frank stats, although exclusively from the 21/22 season where they were a newly promoted side just trying to cling on:
- 17th in average sequence time: A variable positively correlated with possession play. City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, Woolwich and United were the top 6.
- 16th in average number of passes completed per sequence: See above.
- 3rd in direct speed, defined as the distance the ball gets progressed by a team on a given sequence divided by sequence time. A variable inversely correlated with possession play: City, Woolwich, Brighton [finished 9th that year] Leicester [finished 8th that year] , Chelsea and Tottenham were the bottom 6.
- 15th in number of sequences that feature at least 10 completed passes: A variable positively correlated with possession play: City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, Woolwich and Leicester were the top 6.
- 17th in number of build-up attacks, defined as the sequences from open play where a team completes at least 10 passes before either launching a shot or getting a touch inside the opponent's box: Another variable that's positively correlated with possession play: City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham, Woolwich, United and Leicester were the top 7.
IMO that’s just a clever way of framing it that removes his responsibility for where we are right now.
He’s not capable of coaching a team to be better than this. Our performance data is identical to Brentford, the style of play is Brentford, and we are in 13th which is roughly Brentfords average league position in his time.
The squad needs work but it’s better than he’s capable of coaching.
Jose’s ego and Covid empty stadiums ruined what should have been a glorious return for Bale.
The only reason i dont want Frank to get sacked is that i believe it hurts us more in the long run to keep changing manager.
Frank has showed soo little and i surely wont miss him if he gets sacked.
But there is also something completely wrong with this team. Something that is not directly Franks fault.
Why are we so terrible most of the time. Clueless and passive. No initiative from anybody. No shots on goal. So many misplaced passes. Part of it is probably the coaches. But the examples
The booing and criticizing by fans has likely strenghtened the players pathetic and childish behaviour of feeling unfairly treated.
No matter the manager, we will never be any better with this paper thin squad and injuries to our only quality players. The terrible mentality has and still is our biggest issue.
Agreed. I believe Frank can do quite a bit better if we can shift the 3-4 worst offenders culturally and bring in the same number who want to play for the shirt.
I’d shift Porro, Vicario and Bentancur. To name a few.
Still not sure Frank can really deliver even with that change tbh.
You mean like the 5th place finish that this squad had before adding a World Cup finalist in RKM, an elite-rated talent like Simons, and Franks DM destroyer of choice in Palinha? Or without Kudus who was rated at 80m at one point and led the league in dribbles and assists when he first arrived.
This squad needs work to get back to Poch levels or above but it’s also a lot better than where Frank has it performing right now.
Some of them seem to have developed a siege mentality against their own fans, the utter morons...The only reason i dont want Frank to get sacked is that i believe it hurts us more in the long run to keep changing manager.
Frank has showed soo little and i surely wont miss him if he gets sacked.
But there is also something completely wrong with this team. Something that is not directly Franks fault.
Why are we so terrible most of the time. Clueless and passive. No initiative from anybody. No shots on goal. So many misplaced passes. Part of it is probably the coaches. But the examples
The booing and criticizing by fans has likely strenghtened the players pathetic and childish behaviour of feeling unfairly treated.
No matter the manager, we will never be any better with this paper thin squad and injuries to our only quality players. The terrible mentality has and still is our biggest issue.
"At least we're coached well now" latest just dropped...
View: https://x.com/Billie_T/status/2008296360047415728
View: https://x.com/Billie_T/status/2008296360047415728
That's one of things that greatly haunts me about Frank. Our young players are getting worse under him. Odobert and bergvall been garbage under him. Tel rarely plays so naturally will regress , udogie has been poor under him, sarr, Simons.
There's some damage being done here
But it is what it is, pretty confident he's sacked at end of season