You don't demand respect... you earn it... Frank hasn't earnt it hence the players think he's a floppy haired prick who hasn't a clue how to get 500m worth of talent to play football and not hoofball. They wouldn't be wrong would they???
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Manager Thomas Frank
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Doesn't even appear that he's trying to implement any attacking patterns of play. Everything goes through Porro smashing the ball long into Richy or Kudus
The thing Derangers can't get their heads around is the simple, now incontrovertible, fact that the Europa League win was meritorious not because the opposition was great but precisely because WE ALSO HAD A SHIT SQUAD.
They always acknowledge this fact in the present but never apply their own analysis to the very recent past.
So when they bleat about Frank being harshly treated (which I'm tended to sympathise with) it's hard to take them seriously because they never once applied the same reason to the last guy.
There's a word for that.
Some of us warned that our squad - particularly in midfield - was lacking true quality. This was true last season just as much as this season. All of which makes the Europa League win - after a injury crisis of genuinely unprecedented levels - something to be treasured, not diminished. But they refuse to acknowledge that because to do so would be to admit they bullied people who simply wanted to support the manager last season horrifically and, worse, wrongly.
Hopefully they learn their lesson but I'm not holding my breath. I expect the merry-go-round of blaming the chef rather than the people who buy the ingredients to continue.
If we are playing that game then clearly Frank injured Maddison in pre-season (why risk him in a friendly against Newcastle) and Solanke against Man City (he clearly wasn't ready to return but Frank rushed him back). Also, Frank green lighted the sale of Son... so other than Deki, all of this he brought on himself.
Silly Franatics!!!
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At this point, my main reason for wanting Frank in is the Ange crew who absolutely loathe him. That alone has tipped me over the edge.
This isn’t about tactics, philosophy, or long-term vision anymore. This is pure, petty football revenge.
Revenge, bitches!
This isn’t about tactics, philosophy, or long-term vision anymore. This is pure, petty football revenge.
Revenge, bitches!
Some interesting Championship data here:
Long passing
They were inside top 5 in possession in each of these 3 seasons, and their long passing in particular seems to be always purposeful. All good.
But, illustrated by the sharp decrease in number of short passes and an accompanying increase in the number of long ones in their final year in the Championship, a change in direction towards more directness was evident even back then. Looks like he got his reward, and has never looked back since.
This also puts the common explanation that attributes his direct football to him trying to survive in a highly unforgiving league with limited resources in jeopardy somewhat. There's evidence that he had already started heading in that direction before that.
It's a rather moot point anyway, as being able to play on the front foot in the Championship is no guarantee that it would translate to a higher level. See Russell Martin.
Long passing
- 18 / 19* : 20th in number of attempts & 3rd in success rate
- 19 / 20 : 15th in number of attempts & 2nd in success rate
- 20 / 21 : 6th in number of attempts & 2nd in success rate
- 18 / 19* : 4th in number of attempts & 6th in success rate
- 19 / 20 : 3rd in number of attempts & 2nd in success rate
- 20 / 21 : 13th in number of attempts & 10th in success rate
They were inside top 5 in possession in each of these 3 seasons, and their long passing in particular seems to be always purposeful. All good.
But, illustrated by the sharp decrease in number of short passes and an accompanying increase in the number of long ones in their final year in the Championship, a change in direction towards more directness was evident even back then. Looks like he got his reward, and has never looked back since.
This also puts the common explanation that attributes his direct football to him trying to survive in a highly unforgiving league with limited resources in jeopardy somewhat. There's evidence that he had already started heading in that direction before that.
It's a rather moot point anyway, as being able to play on the front foot in the Championship is no guarantee that it would translate to a higher level. See Russell Martin.
That's just pragmatism. Brentford never had any right to be in the PL with their squad, nor to stay in it.
Doing a Burnley and dominating the Championship with the most expensive squad, only to bomb every other year in the PL isn't a great strategy
Sack. The. Useless. Cunt.
This much has been obvious for several months now.
It's why you are, quite literally, Deranged.
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People talk about the money Woolwich have spent as if we haven't splashed any ourselves.
Difference between them and us? They spend well, we throw it down the shitter.
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Re style - was listening to the lab with that Brentford season ticket holder Flav knows and it was quite damning for Frank imo though he didn't mean it to be!
He talked about style of football and what Brentford were good at etc and getting it wide quickly and spamming crosses in low was the key factor for their goals - he also said shooting from outside the box was basically prohibited and there were a lot of times even when they were doing well that sideways and back passing for what seemed like an eternity was commonplace until there was an opening to get a cross in.
Taking ages to get big money signings integrated into the team was another point he made I didn't like and sticking with solid favourites despite more creative players being available.
He mentioned the praise for other teams and clubs also as being cringey but they were happy enough with what he had achieved with them so let it go.
The fact that he did all that at Brentford can be ignored and expected almost - doing that at Spurs cannot be ignored. My main concern with him when he started was playing attacking football against the lesser sides at the very least and winning on the front foot and despite the key injuries and new players bedding in it has been pretty dire on that front. We didn't even perform well against the best sides which I thought would be Franks main upside.
Even if we get better and he changes or tries to become more progressive til the end of the season I can't see him lasting now.
We have a lot of very mid table players too - what a mess.
I think Ange, Frank and AVB had the worst squads, which fits my narrative, that AVB was way better at coaching than he was given credit for, nicely.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/1q5id2e/franks_win_perentage_so_far/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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So basically what you are saying is if someone managed to win a European trophy with the below starting 11 that would make them pretty good?
Starting XI: Vicario, Pedro Porro, Romero (c), van de Ven, Udogie, Bentancur, Bissouma, Sarr, Johnson, Solanke, Richarlison.
what makes it even worse is 70% of the goons through balls were in the game versus us!
Randall Kolo Muani a WC finalist and prolific goal scorer on huge wages. Brought in for Frank.
Kudus brought in for Frank. Big transfer fee, decent wages. Prem proven capable of producing similar numbers to those missing
Palinha was his number 1 choice for DM. On big wages.
Simons big money, high wages brought in for Frank. Proven to score and assist in Germany.
Richy has a goals to minute ratio up there with the best in the prem historically but never been fit. He’s been fitter under Frank than ever and not scoring as much because we don’t create anything.
Is Frank getting the best out of any of those? Nope.
He chose to sideline Johnson.
He chose to take Bergvall as our most progressive 8 and convert him to a 10. Completely stunted his development.
If the transfers for him were performing and we were seeing positive signs of the kind of team that Spurs are at their best then absolutely give him time. If we had been seeing young players attack and figure it out like the Sunderland first half then give him time,
We aren’t though. We are seeing a carbon copy of Brentford.
It is annoying though... he chews gum like an adolescent trying to be the big man on campus... and the iPad thing is ridiculous... use your eye's man, watch the shit you are implementing in full colour in front of you, listen to the boo's... god knows what you need to look at an iPad for in the middle of a game.
I think Ange, Frank and AVB had the worst squads, which fits my narrative, that AVB was way better at coaching than he was given credit for, nicely.
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Don't forget to take the first 10 games under Ange out... they don't count... so he is now safely in 9th above Ange!!!
Just write off this season. We won't be decisive and move him on now and we will achieve fuck all with him here but we won't get relegated.
He'll be gone in the summer. Maybe we get the next one right.
I've already missed a few games this season and will miss more in this second half.
There is no fun involved in Spurs right now so may aswell tune out until there is.
He'll be gone in the summer. Maybe we get the next one right.
I've already missed a few games this season and will miss more in this second half.
There is no fun involved in Spurs right now so may aswell tune out until there is.