I'd agree but then Roberto Martinez piped up.
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Ex-Spurs Player Toby Alderweireld
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When one of our best players is seemingly about to be sold, we dupe ourselves into thinking he aint that good anyway and we can do without. If what your saying is correct, then surely no top club is gonna come in for him anyway. But deep down we know that they will, because deep down we know he's one of the best centre backs in the world.
Literally no-one has said he's not that good.
We've only sold one of our best players since 2013. And then it was Gareth Bale, who no-one said wasn't that good. Before that, Luka Modric, who no-one said wasn't that good except Gibbs.
Fantasy world stuff. But then this is the post-fact era.
IF, IF we do lose Toby then we will have taken a very big backwards step. Yes he has been out for a long time with injury and we have managed quite well without him BUT he simply is too good to just let him go without a massive fight.
Anyone else bored with this? ????
Yea, he'd be a great miss. But look where a massive step back losing Bale has eventually got us? We've steadily progressed previously losing Modric, Bale and Walker. No reason why it wouldn't be the same with Toby. We all want him to stay, but in his absence we've smashed our hardest run of the year and set the CL alight.
I thought we'd miss him badly, but evidently, we have not.
Yea, I'm packing it in now. Just going in circles.
Kyle Walker was one of our best players, and despite his fuck up on Monday night, is widely regarded as the best in his position in the Premier League. Thats why City paid 50million for him and play him every week.. If we want to keep Kane, Dele, Eriksonsonson etc for the long term then selling the best RB in England one summer and the best CB in Enland the next aint really showing them boys that we mean business. Lets act like the big club we are and keep hold of our best players by showing them we mean to challenge at the top where we belong
Hey, ive only just joined the debate, now you're all fucking off
Yes, Kyle was the one I'm talking about. The best CB in England right now is Jan Vertonghen.
Put some respeck on his name.
Poch shows Kane, Dele and Eriksen we mean business. Every day. What has Poch got to do to win your trust? When will he ever be enough? He says it's in hand, it's in hand.
You've lured me back in. You bugger.
City paid 50m because they can.
These players must know the score when they first arrive. Dont we get these players becuse the Citys of tge world dont want them. He has blossomed with us, he needs to show respect. . I find it annoying that players do this mid season where the summer would be much more appropriate. I cant understand him pissing Poch in a WC year.
Kyle Walker is also an absolute cunt and treated the club and all us fans as total mugs. Despite this wanker being a clear problem ( see Poch’s book for timings and background ) Our Chairman extracted a superb deal and frankly the squad is not so diminished that his departure mattered as much as the guy seems to think.
All those videos, all that pretend emotion does not change what he did and when he did it. And his comments this week have made it even more frustrating that he is so stupid.
If Toby is in the same position now as Walker last year then frankly I take the same stance and that’s FUCK YOU AND FUCK OFF.
However, let’s all hope this is not the case and it will ultimately all play out the right way.
Amazing the theory that a player can only be good if the big clubs are in for them.
''If they're so good, why aren't *big club name* in for them''
It's a nonsense. All the big clubs were in for Pogba and Lukaku. Look at those two shithouses.
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I trust Poch 100% as far as motivating and managing the players at his disposal. He is the best manager in the world. But like any manager he will choose his words carefully and economically. Im sure he'd rather have a fit and happy Toby on a new long term contract than see him sold for whatever his buy out clause is.
But ultimately, it wont be his decision. And that's a worry. If he's forced to keep replacing world class talents with world class prospects because thats what our wage structure dictates he'll probably never win the silverware he deserves with us.
He was happy enough to sign for us in the first place & he was a top defender then.
He still has 2 years left on that deal.
Now, I’m all for rewarding performance, and we have repeatedly improved contracts for players who have performed.
All the suggestions are that he will sign for us, but wants to treble his wages.
My point is...if we are offering him £110k a week then he is missing out on a very healthy pay rise.
He could earn that now for the next 3-4 years.
Or he can stay on his £50,000 a week & try his luck for his big payday when he has run his contract down. He still has to play well to keep himself in the shop window. By which time, Sanchez & Foyth will be well established. It’s not as though we are not going to use Toby exclusively for those 2 years he has left on his contract.
Assuming my maths is correct here;
If he signed for 3 years at £110,000 he makes £17 million.
If he stays for 2 years on £50,000 he makes £5.2 million
He has to bag himself a mega deal to make back “lost earnings” over the next 2 years by not signing a new deal.
If we have to take £25 million for his release clause in 15 months time, then we have to do that. But he is still needing a huge deal on the table to make it worth his while?
I’m sure his agent has pointed this out to him though
You and what army?
He would have done the maths.
Unless something changes I expect him to leave and much like Walker before him watch us rebuild. Signing Sanchez last summer was an indication Toby might go.
I honestly don’t give a fuck though. Life’s too short for these players to annoy me.
Unless they do a sol. That’s different level.
If he’s not happy at this club then go. The manager, new stadium, team and fans are amazing.
If that doesn’t create happiness for him then chase the money.
Maybe that will make him happy.
Unless something changes I expect him to leave and much like Walker before him watch us rebuild. Signing Sanchez last summer was an indication Toby might go.
I honestly don’t give a fuck though. Life’s too short for these players to annoy me.
Unless they do a sol. That’s different level.
If he’s not happy at this club then go. The manager, new stadium, team and fans are amazing.
If that doesn’t create happiness for him then chase the money.
Maybe that will make him happy.
contemplating starting a new rumour just to derail this.
Is Harry Winks secretly a lizard person!? More at 11
Exactly this.
Who else was trying to sign him? Who offered him double the wages then?
No one. We helped make him.
He can fuck off if he doesn’t understand that.
It’s odd. We sign second tier type players, who are then coached into the top drawer by Poch & his team. They then decide they are too good for us or don’t like the wages that they were more than happy to take in the first place, even though we regularly hand out improved contracts to everyone who has earned it. And they are happy to sign them too.
I’m stepping into the “fuck em” camp.