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Article Tottenham and the Players that Got Away

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It was awesome, they let anyone in. Feet First on a Tuesday night at Camden Palace was also quality.

Ahhh the days when you could go out with 30 quid, get drunk and still have enough for a kebab and a dodgy cab home, and wake up without a hungover.
#youth

I only went to feet first once. I witnessed a bloke gob a huge ball of phlegm that he´d just hocked up from the balcony onto the dancefloor and some mad bird dug her nails into my face while we were moshing to Limp Bizkit.

Did you ever venture down to the ´mad ball´downstears at The Dome? That´s where all the proper nutters went to listen to real metal instead of Linkin Park etc. they were playing upstairs. Those kids scared me.
 
I only went to feet first once. I witnessed a bloke gob a huge ball of phlegm that he´d just hocked up from the balcony onto the dancefloor and some mad bird dug her nails into my face while we were moshing to Limp Bizkit.

Did you ever venture down to the ´mad ball´downstears at The Dome? That´s where all the proper nutters went to listen to real metal instead of Linkin Park etc. they were playing upstairs. Those kids scared me.

I did venture down once or twice, upstairs was more my scene though. A few years ago a couple of friends and i went for a beer in the Boston Arms to reminisce, what a shit hole.

I wonder what DJ Eko is up to these days......
 

‘I trained at Spurs and thought they’d give me a chance. But I received a letter thanking me but saying they didn’t think I was good enough – I was gutted’: How Tottenham missed out on signing Wales legend John Toshack​

By Ryan Dabbs
Contributions from
Dani Gil
published 2 hours ago
Tottenham invited future star John Toshack for trials when he was aged just 15, but turned him away after deeming him not good enough to play for the club

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CARDIFF, UNITED KINGDOM - JUNE 02: Wales captain Ryan Giggs shakes the hand of manager John Toshack after being substituted on his last International appearance for his country during the Euro 2008 Group D Qualifying Match between Wales and Czech Republic at the Millennium Stadium on June 2, 2007 in Cardiff, Wales. Photo by (Stu Forster/Getty Images)

Toshack managed Ryan Giggs for the Wales national team (Image credit: Getty Images)

Tottenham missed out on the signing of future Wales legend John Toshack when he was just 15-years-old in 1965, believing he wasn't good enough to compete at the required level they needed.


A young player plying his trade in the Cardiff City academy, Toshack received an invitation from Tottenham to head to London for trials with the club, with Spurs having heard about the young striker's goalscoring exploits in Wales.


“I went with two other team-mates to a residence next to the old White Hart Lane,” Toshack recalls exclusively to FourFourTwo. “We trained, and I thought they were going to give me a chance. But when I returned home, I got a letter thanking me but saying they didn’t believe I was good enough. I was gutted.”


Tottenham missed out on Toshack, but he soon started setting records​

English League Division Two match at Ninian Park. Cardiff City 0 v Crystal Palace 4. Crystal Palace's goalkeeper John Jackson collects the ball as City's John Toshack closes in on goal watched by Palace defender John Sewell10th August 1968. (Photo by Western Mail Archive/Western Mail Archive/Mirrorpix via Getty Images) Tottenham

Toshack (left) playing for Cardiff (Image credit: Getty Images)
Toshack, however, soon began breaking barriers locally. His first-team debut for Cardiff came aged 16, against Leyton Orient. Back then, only one substitution was allowed per team.

“I came on with 10 minutes to go and scored a goal,” he says. “I can still visualise it today, if I close my eyes. A week later, we travelled up north to Middlesbrough. I started and scored two goals in 20 minutes. We won 4-3. It was a dream start.”


Kevin Keegan celebrates with teammate John Toshack after scoring a goal for Liverpool

Toshack and Keegan playing together at Liverpool (Image credit: Alamy)
Making a name for himself in the Second Division, Toshack caught the eye of Fulham in 1968, though a move never materialised.

“Bobby Robson came in with an offer of £60,000, which was good money at the time,” he says. “But I thought London was too big for a boy from South Wales, and turned it down. The Cardiff management were outraged at my decision. The transfer would have been a big money-spinner for them.”

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Instead, Toshack remained in the Welsh capital for another two seasons before eventually taking the plunge, this time with Liverpool. The Reds forked out £110,000 overall to bring him to Anfield, where he formed a formidable partnership with Kevin Keegan.

The pair helped Liverpool win two league titles the European Cup, the UEFA Cup on two occasions and the FA Cup.

John Toshack in a Wales home, 1976 kit by Admiral

Toshack lines up for Wales (Image credit: Admiral)
In FourFourTwo's view, there are hundreds of stories about clubs missing out on players who later go on to bigger and better things, so, while it's certainly a mistake, it's impossible to tell the future ability someone might have.
 

Anton Rippon Nostalgia: The day Derby County stole Charlie George from Tottenham Hotspur​

Our columnist on how the Rams signed George from Woolwich​


By
Derbyshire Live
  • 19:00, 20 AUG 2017
When in 1975 Derby County won the Football League title for the second time in four seasons, many supporters believed that here was a team that could go on and win the European Cup after all.

Hadn't the Rams already been so close before the game’s dark arts went to work around the 1973 semi-final tie against Juventus? Odd goings-on in the first leg in Turin, and a notorious Hungarian fixer who promised the referee for the Baseball Ground leg a Fiat car if Juve's safe passage to the final was assured – the referee reported the approach straight to FIFA, by the way – had proved hurdles too great for honest-to-goodness Derby County to surmount.

But here there was another opportunity. Now with Francis Lee, whose goals had helped the Rams win the First Division again in 1974-75, this was arguably a stronger Derby side than the one that had gone into Europe first time around.

Dave Mackay wanted to further strengthen his team, however, and when he heard that Charlie George, the darling of Highbury’s North Bank, wanted to leave the Gunners, the Rams’ manager had to have him.

There was a problem, though. Stuart Webb, the Rams’ club secretary at the time, takes up the story of a remarkable chase: "In July 1975, Dave was on holiday in Edinburgh when a journalist in London tipped me off that Charlie was leaving Woolwich to go to Tottenham for £100,000. I relayed the bad news to Mackay, who said: ‘Oh no, he’s not, is he?’

"I confirmed what I knew, and Dave told me to stall Charlie if at all possible while he flew to London to talk to him personally. I contacted Woolwich, who readily accepted our offer to match Tottenham’s £100,000, before I spoke to Charlie, telling him that in two months’ time he could be playing in the European Cup with us.


He was interested but said mournfully: 'It's almost all done this end, mate. I’m at Spurs for the press conference at midday tomorrow.’

"But Terry Neill, the Tottenham manager, made a huge mistake that day. Everything was in place for him to complete the transfer but he was keen to stage-manage the business and show off Charlie to the media. After all, he was taking him from Spurs’ fiercest rivals. None the less, I was convinced that Dave’s dash to Heathrow would be in vain. However, the following morning as I was about to take our daughter, Beverley, to school – we were in the car, pulling out of the drive – my wife, Josie, came running out of the house to tell me: ‘There’s a man on the phone, asking for you. Don’t ask me who it is, I don’t know. I can’t understand him!’

"I went inside, picked up the receiver. It was Charlie George, demanding to know if “you lot” were coming to London to get him.

"I took a deep breath and replied: ‘Charlie, we are most very definitely on. We are coming, we’re on our way down. Dave and I are both coming. We'll see you at the Hilton Hotel at twelve o’clock.

Charlie spluttered: "I can't be there. There's a press conference at White Hart Lane.'

"Never mind Spurs,’ I insisted. ‘Just be there at twelve o’clock.’

"By the time I arrived at Hyde Park, Dave was already there and we had a nervous few minutes before Charlie walked in and quickly signed a contract. While we celebrated Dave’s capture of another great player with a round of drinks at the bar, Tottenham were experiencing a vicious hangover and acute embarrassment at White Hart Lane where Charlie George, whose name was written proudly on a card on a table in front of an empty chair, was conspicuous by his absence.

"One of Islington’s finest natural talents had been reared on playground tales of Dave Mackay's swashbuckling feats at the other end of the Seven Sisters Road, and he signed for us because it was Dave’s champions – the team, the success, the attraction of what we were doing, and the lure of Europe. All those things added up to a huge incentive. Finally, though, Charlie was North London through and through, so he was a bit twitchy about Tottenham and how that would go down with his Woolwich supporting mates."

It was, of course, a fantastic signing for the Rams. George made his competitive debut at Wembley in the 1975 FA Charity Shield victory over West Ham United.

He had a brilliant first season with Derby, his deadly shooting and startling vision steering the Rams towards a possible League and FA Cup double before he dislocated a shoulder against Stoke City at the Baseball Ground in March 1976.

By then, of course, the Rams were out of the European Cup again, losing 6-5 on aggregate to Real Madrid after a brilliant Charlie George hat-trick against the Spaniards at the Baseball Ground.
 
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