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Match Tottenham Hotspur vs Millwall FA CUP
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What is really bothering me is, did that cunt get his pie & mash??
He kept saying he has to go and eat, but it was getting later and later, I was worried the pie and mash shop was closed. Hope he didn't go to bed hungry.
He kept saying he has to go and eat, but it was getting later and later, I was worried the pie and mash shop was closed. Hope he didn't go to bed hungry.
We recently broke the attendance record for an English club.
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And when Millwall play at Wembley...
Which is pathetic for a London club. Oh well, more space for fighting each other I suppose.
To be fair to us, that turn out (30,000) was our lowest ever at Wembley because tickets were restricted to season ticket holders and members, plus a guest due to what happened v Wigan.
And we weren't fighting amongst ourselves this time, the fights were with Barnsley - who gave as good as they got.
The occasion we fought each other was v Wigan in the FA Cup Semi-Final of 2013. When two rival families happened to bump into each other & disputes over drug deals etc. spilled out into the stadium. This happened before in 2005 when rival families battled it out in Hungary. I don't know what north London is like, but people in south London see themselves very much part of their own 'manor' - so there has always been a rivalry between Wall fans from Bermondsey, those from Peckham, or Camberwell, Walworth, Deptford etc.
I do recall Spurs fans fighting each other at a League Cup Final in the 1990s/early 200s was it? That may have been the same thing. Also, there was trouble with Leicester City fans when some Spurs got in their end, wasn't there.
Not that you care, but before that Wigan fight saw our tickets restricted for the Barnsley Play-Off Final, our followings at Wembley before the restrictions were 49,500 v Wigan in Auto-Windscreens Cup, 49,661 v Scunthorpe United for League One PO-Final, 44,500 v Swindon Town for League One PO-Final and 40,000 for Wigan Athletic in FA Cup Semi-Final.
I do find it frustrating that our reputation conceals the many historic things about Millwall FC. That is to say, that yes we are now a small club, but those big turn-outs at Wembley were not fans of Chelsea, Woolwich etc. coming along for a fun family day out, like Leyton Orient would get, but the residue of Millwall's past.
Before the docks closed Millwall were one of best supported clubs in England. The club were the pioneers of professional football in London & the south. But, and I am sure you will have empathy for this, were stabbed in the back by Woolwich.
It was Millwall who were the shinning light of football in the south before the turn of the century - earning the nickname 'Lions of the South', which replaced the 'Dockers', for our ability to compete and beat the big northern and midlands giants. This inspired us to set-up the Southern League, which Woolwich helped with. Yet, it was Millwall who were offered a place in the FA football league as the south's first ever representative, having won the first two Southern League titles & showed their class in reaching the FA Cup Semi-Finals twice. However, we turned down the offer, wanting to stay loyal to our southern brothers & felt our league was every bit as good anyway - which Spurs proved by winning the FA Cup.
Yet, sneaky little Woolwich had other plans. They were going to go behind the Southern League's back & join up to the Football League, plus move to a bigger & better area....hmmm, where did that end up being?
By not joining & staying loyal to the Southern League Millwall missed out on an opportunity to become one of English football's big clubs. Yet, crowds of 30-50,000 still turned up to roar the Lions on in the Third Division South & Second Division. The last hoorah perhaps was when 30,000 turned up for a Third Division game in the mid 1970s, the last time that many Dockers still had work and Millwall were the centre of their world.
Ever since the Docks closed and the area has been cleared Millwall have slumped to a loyal, but modest following of 8-12,000 on average. Yet, all the families of those Dockers, many who moved out to greater London, Kent, Surrey, Essex etc. will turn up for the big games still.
The club say that the majority of the 6,000 odd season ticket holders have SE London postcodes, so there is still that link to the area. It's just that they are scaffolders, scrap mental merchants, builders, cabbies, London underground workers, binmen now...not Dockers. And there aren't enough of them to see gates of 30,000 for Third tier football anymore.
Sorry for getting all serious, but this thread had got a bit serious (and silly). I like Spurs, and thought this sneering at small clubs was more of a Chelsea/Woolwich thing to do. Especially those backstabbers from Woolwich.
If you live in the north London area. Its a good weekend to rid of all your large faulty appliances. Leave them out side and they will all be gone by Sunday evening.
Indeed.
I know a few fellow Wall that deal in scrap. People would be amazed at the money involved. They may be thought of as 'pikies', but that caravan is often attached to a million pound home in Chislelhurst!
Although I doubt there is much gold or silver to collect around Holloway etc. these days.
Millwall were getting a massive amount of respect on this forum waaaaaaay before we even drew you in the cup.
The Den thread amongst others, and many have wanted to draw Millwalll for a few seasons now.....not for the fighting either, but for a proper derby, thats also rare.
I never got the affection personally, and I dislike Millwall sorry to say mate.
But the tide only turned when your fans came on here and started talking shit to be fair.
How can a Spurs fan dislike Millwall? We've not played each other in 27 years. Or met that often at all.
Just curious.
Personally I dont like the way a number of your lot carry on too often.
Confirmed by some of them on here with all their "we're gonna come up with thousands and take over the local pubs" Football Factory nonsense.
Yeah, its not everyone, but its too many. Football is tribal and illogical, so its just one of those things,
Im sure you could find a Liverpool fan somewhere that hates Norwich...
Apart from 2001.
New Den or old Den, Millwall has never been a place for the faint-hearted and so it proved again in our spiciest friendly of the summer so far.
The tempo was up a gear, the tackles made with more intent and, of course, the atmosphere off the pitch the most intense so far.
And there were plusses and minuses on both sides. From the point of view of Keith Stevens' Testimonial, it was a roaring success with a crowd of over 16,000 packed into the New Den.
From our point of view we played well for an hour, created chances, stood up to the physical side of things but more worrying, the home side's switch to a more aerial bombardment certainly caused problems.
"I felt we played some good stuff at times, opened them up, scored two good goals and then we had to defend some set-plays," said Glenn Hoddle afterwards. "There is still some work to be done defensively.
"When you come to Millwall, with the crowd like that, you expect it to be lively but it was a good game for us. There will be plenty of games where it will be become a bit spicy, but we kept our heads."
Sergei Rebrov took the brunt of a couple of heavy challenges in the first half and was taken off at half-time as a precaution.
He had already made his mark though with a splendid finish to open the scoring after 17 minutes. Simon Davies, full of energy in midfield, fed Oyvind Leonhardsen on the right, his cross looked too deep but Steffen Iversen nodded back and Rebrov clinically dispatched a half-volley from six yards.
All the football in the first half came from us but clear-cut chances were at a minimum with Iversen's snapshot just wide the pick.
Les Ferdinand replaced Rebrov at half-time and took just three minutes to make an impact. A delightful pass from Davies left him one-on-one with Harper and he made no mistake for his first goal in pre-season.
Iversen went close twice before the tide turned in Millwall's favour. The Lions clawed their way back after Sullivan, under intense and, perhaps, illegal pressure from Sadlier lost control of Savarese's cross and ex-Spur Nethercott tapped home from eight yards.
Savarese then headed wide from six yards, Sullivan superbly tipped Neill's drive aside and the home side somehow failed to level when first Cahill hit the bar and then Leonhardsen twice cleared off the line from Cahill and Nethercott.
Match Report - Millwall v Tottenham Hotspur - 04 Aug 2001 4 August 2001 - News - tottenhamhotspur.com
The tempo was up a gear, the tackles made with more intent and, of course, the atmosphere off the pitch the most intense so far.
And there were plusses and minuses on both sides. From the point of view of Keith Stevens' Testimonial, it was a roaring success with a crowd of over 16,000 packed into the New Den.
From our point of view we played well for an hour, created chances, stood up to the physical side of things but more worrying, the home side's switch to a more aerial bombardment certainly caused problems.
"I felt we played some good stuff at times, opened them up, scored two good goals and then we had to defend some set-plays," said Glenn Hoddle afterwards. "There is still some work to be done defensively.
"When you come to Millwall, with the crowd like that, you expect it to be lively but it was a good game for us. There will be plenty of games where it will be become a bit spicy, but we kept our heads."
Sergei Rebrov took the brunt of a couple of heavy challenges in the first half and was taken off at half-time as a precaution.
He had already made his mark though with a splendid finish to open the scoring after 17 minutes. Simon Davies, full of energy in midfield, fed Oyvind Leonhardsen on the right, his cross looked too deep but Steffen Iversen nodded back and Rebrov clinically dispatched a half-volley from six yards.
All the football in the first half came from us but clear-cut chances were at a minimum with Iversen's snapshot just wide the pick.
Les Ferdinand replaced Rebrov at half-time and took just three minutes to make an impact. A delightful pass from Davies left him one-on-one with Harper and he made no mistake for his first goal in pre-season.
Iversen went close twice before the tide turned in Millwall's favour. The Lions clawed their way back after Sullivan, under intense and, perhaps, illegal pressure from Sadlier lost control of Savarese's cross and ex-Spur Nethercott tapped home from eight yards.
Savarese then headed wide from six yards, Sullivan superbly tipped Neill's drive aside and the home side somehow failed to level when first Cahill hit the bar and then Leonhardsen twice cleared off the line from Cahill and Nethercott.
Match Report - Millwall v Tottenham Hotspur - 04 Aug 2001 4 August 2001 - News - tottenhamhotspur.com
Bumped into some coked-off-their-heads West Ham scumbags last night in a boozer. They said West Ham and teaming up with Millwall to come and do WHL. Could just be the coke talking.
That would never happen.
Agree with
Tottenham Sean
- will never happen. Their younger heads might see Spurs as their main rival but for their top table it is always Millwall.I don't think you can use internet forums to ever confirm anything, personally. Especially football forums. They are used by such a small percentage of the population / fanbase.
In fact football forums (and social media to a large degree) are inheritably the worse places to look for proof of a general consensus. –a s they are often populated by the most ‘fanatical’ of the fans of any one club, at best, and attention seeking trolls at worse.
Same with social media; twitter was awash with the most extreme views about Brexit. It was not very reflective of the conversations & debates I had at work or with friends and family.
Same with football hooligans. I am not sure such a tiny percentage of the fanbase can be used to say that is what all the fanbase are like.
I can understand what you are getting at with your ‘I don’t like the way a number of your lot carry on too often’ statement; because it must seem like that.
But, Millwall’s hooligans are no more numerous or active than hooligans at other big city clubs (the big referring to the city, not the club).
It’s just that while there may be trouble at Wolves v Birmingham City, and there was a hell of a lot the other night, Wolverhampton is a long way from the London based national media companies. Often, only local journalists are at these games & they do not want to lose relationships with their main club by printing or uploading big hooligan stories. And the nationals do not care.
Millwall have ALWAYS been the closest club to Fleet Street & now Canary Wharf – i.e. next door to where all the major media outlets are. If there is even a sniff of trouble at The Den it will be picked up by the nationals.
Indeed, my mate used to work at the Mirror, when we played Cardiff City in 1999 for the first in years; he said that they (and The Sun etc.) sent over some of their top reporters. This was a run of the mill Third Division game. But, they were gambling on their being some good and easy hooligan stuff to report on.
At the time I was living in Sheffield, near Brammall Lane and can tell you that it went ‘off’ most home games. Indeed, a couple of years after we had played Cardiff & the nationals splashed it all over the back pages, because they were some people running around the local escort trying to get at the Cardiff escort (no punch was thrown in anger), Man City’s firm descended on Sheffield and smashed the place up. My then gf had to take refuge in a pub while out shopping. There were running battles all day. But not a mention in the nationals.
Fast forward to now. Millwall made the back pages and all the internet pages for running on and giving Leicester fans the wanker sign. Meanwhile, a week or so later there were fights in and around Molineux between Wolves & Birmingham City fans, seats thrown, people taken to hospital. How much did you hear about it?
I am not saying that we do not have an element, but it is no bigger or more active than other big city clubs – like I said.
On the flipside, the 99% of Millwall fans not causing trouble or trolling a Spurs forum are doing good things in the real world. They are raising more money for charity per ratio of fanbase than other clubs (in fact 9,000 Millwall fans raised more for the British Legion than 60,000 Woolwich fans did in real terms) and are working to make south London a better place through things like the Jimmy Mizen Foundation – a charity set up by Millwall fans to combat knife crime culture.
If you go through life hating whole swathes of people based on the actions of the few then you must really hate Irish Catholics, Muslims, teenagers, van drivers, young men, people that work for South Yorkshire police etc. etc. … that must be exhausting.
Conversely though, I am sure there is a number of Norwich City fans who dislike Liverpool based on the European football ban of the late 80s, when Norwich City could have played in Europe in the Cup Winners’ Cup.
So....Millwall, who's firms have been fighting the likes of Rochdale and Exeter for the last 30 years, now have international connections with Russian and Italian Ultras (who are flying in to help them fight Spurs) and now have teamed up with West Ham.....a team where fans were actually stabbed the last time they played.
Fucking hell, even for bullshit, this has become farcically embarrassing
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I meant in a fixture where the result could induce negative or positive feelings.
Thats why I said football is illogical, and thankfully.
I "hate gooners"......but in real life, there must be some of their fans I prefer as people to some Spurs fans. Id rather live next to a decent gooner than a Spurs supporting nonce.
You cant compare football tribalness with real life in that way.
We played Rochdale for the first time in 40 years last season.
And have played Exeter City twice in the last 30 years.
We are a second tier club that often gets relegated to the third tier. Not a 4th tier club.
But, yes. All bullshit.
The only connection Millwall have with Russians is when they teamed up with Spurs to fight them in France.
The only connection with Italians is a Millwall lad knows the Napoli lot well & showed them around London to attack Woolwich.
As for west ham.... as you say, a gang on them set upon a bloke with his sons and stabbed him. Not sure they would be very welcome!!