At what point does a series of individual games become a pattern?
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Match Tottenham v Chelsea - December 8th - 4:30pm KO
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I don't think our players are less mentally strong than any other bunch. Not elite level, Pepe, Ronaldo and Roy Keane no, but it's not as if (random examples) Sancho, Colwell, Neto, Jackson are some kind of mentality monsters. They're decent players and they've got a canny coach and a tactical system better suited to the team.
It's all about the club environment and the tactics.
Yes. I remember loads of individual errors being blamed at the end of Ramos, AVB, Mourinho etc. Its muddled thinking from poor coaching and managers chasing their tails trying to avoid the sack. Teams always reflect their managers.
Bullshit, unless the guy has a crystal ball and can see the specific scenarios and practice a defence - and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have one.
How is he going to coach people to stop the kind of control that Palmer displayed in the box without conceding another pen?
Why are trying to justify your POV about the goals by quoting other incidents - they didn't result in goals or impact the events that did, so are specious arguments.
Stop trying to show what a fantastic analyst you are and accept the fact that sometimes footballers do things that just can't be prevented - the two non pens were excellent and well taken goals. Deal with it.
So we're our first two as well.
More concerning was Caicedos tackle being ignored as it wasn't physically violent enough. The fact is it was a reckless challenge that could have broken his leg, the level of aggression is irrelevant.
Who’s starting the Rangers thread ?
I envision this game to be like midges swarming an Englishman in the Highlands
I envision this game to be like midges swarming an Englishman in the Highlands
When the available players simply aren't good enough to compete at this level.
Last season the Leicester players romped the championship, the same squad simply aren't good enough at premier league level, Southampton are the same
So game after game of our players not tracking runners (specifically MF runners) and being too aggressive in trying to win the ball back which is creating opposing chances isn’t something he can coach?!?
Mick chances where teams don’t score are just as important to analyse as ones they do. Surely if we spot an issue we fix it before the opposition scores?
You’re making absolutely no sense. Our players are shit, the summer was putrid and what Biss and Sarr did yesterday was utterly braindead, but we see the same issues with our defensive structure and style week after week. That’s on the manager…..
I'm of the stance that players have pressure in any system. If they can't hack it then get players with bigger balls that can.
Like I said, unfortunately I couldn't watch yesterday cos of Christmas commitments so it hard for me to go full pelt until I can watch it.
Have heard that the pens were stupid decisions by our players though...?
His post was really odd wasn't it.
It was a running joke for a while how many of our players left and won silverware elsewhere.
The players are capable but there is no appetite for this club to actually win anything from the top. Culturally we are scared of even saying something bold like "we want to win the league", it seems laughable.
I fully agree.
Though it's definitely still a running joke.
Ndombele won two league titles, in good leagues, while on loan from Spurs FFS.
It's us, not them.
Agree, kind of.
We need more investment to reshape the squad and kick on. That much is clear. I don't think it's possible for anyone to truly excel in the current scheme of things and under our football operations, as the football is a sideshow to an NFL/hospitality stadium. The squad is thin outside of a reasonable first XI and that's not on Ange. I hope ENIC/Levy sell up soon, they've delivered a massive new stadium but are clearly out of ideas on the football front.
That said, I don't think they're going anywhere quickly and that does leave us looking at the manager. I think it's clear by now that Ange isn't the answer to any question worth asking, certainly not at this level. The lack of in-game nous, inflexibility, tactical naivety, and, on another note, his appalling demeanour/body language/behaviour mean that he isn't fit to be manager of a top six/eight club like Spurs. I wouldn't sack him immediately but the club should definitely be putting out feelers and making contingency plans, we won't achieve anything under him and he can go back to coaching Brisbane Roar or whoever.
Definitely. The players aren't coached properly - the regression in someone like Udogie is so alarming it can't be the player.
Also watching the game from the north upper yesterday I got an excellent view of the number of times Chelsea caught us on the transition. I will let you know it was very many. A good performance from Fraser saved us from a heavier beating, though we had chances as well (as an aside, Chelsea's defence and 'keeper clearly ain't all that).
Hmmm, he barely played for Napoli in their title run and got four starts for Galatasaray last season. Both chose not to sign him.
He's just a lazy bastard whose motivation fell off a cliff once he got his big money move.
Must vary round the ground as the season ticket holders round me in the south are still relatively sanguine
There were definitely a few pissed up guys around me who were more loquacious than usual. In vino veritas etc.,
The trophies Ndombele won just happened around him and he got lucky.
There's absolutely no rehabilitating his time here. He was fucking useless.
Yeah they were both stupid naive decisions, they were both clear pens though and the ref couldn't wait to give them - shame they got away with a blatant red card, I'm not using it as an excuse but we just never seem to get these kind of decisions go our way , I'd love to see a independent panel review some of the decisions in the league !
1 zillion %, my man.
But we ain't allowed to criticise them. You can shit on managers, players, even fans. But refs are like a mafia, they've got each other's back and they'll come for you if you dare speak against them...or even just ask simple, valid questions. How many managers & players have been banned/fined for having a legitimate pop at refs, even when they weren't out of order? Zero friggin freedom of speech when it's about those muppets, doesn't matter they're incompetent, rude and we all know some of them have clear bias against certain teams. And obviously that some of them can be - and have been - bought. I'm surprised they don't impose gagging orders on the media so reffing is never discussed. As for that segment on Sky, what a joke...whenever I watch it, I could've written the stuff in advance. It's like VAR, just to give fans the impression something positive is being done about the issue.
I absolutely despise the mugs, starting with that thundercunt Webb.