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Not sure you can call last season as a Jose failure at all.
And this season didn’t start awfully, unless you are just counting the first match. We were top of the league a few weeks ago.
You see it's a very valid point in asking if the same tactics are employed and yet they result in diffeent outcomes, are they as good.
Clearly there are variables such as team performance, team you are up against and aspects of fortune that come into play. You must also consider form at the time and confidence which are perceptible yet difficult to decipher..
Ultimately it's results. Very few complained when we were winning so for the majority the result trumps the performance. Certainly does with me but within the confines of some form of desperation to see success. I expect it would drift to how we play if winning was based purely on defensive solidity as opposed to more intricate and comprehensive play.
We know what Mourinho brings. It is not going to change in terms of style of football at this stage and the players he possesses are not those he trusts as much as in previous incarnations. That in part is evidenced by the team selections.
It also dictates how we play.
So you are right. We want everything and only raise our objections when we fail to win or secure a result that we do not believe is acceptable.
Mourinho needs to bring success but at no stage will be obtain the love held by many fans for Pochettino because that's where human beings are peculiar or where as Spurs fans we loved the fact that in many ways we bullied and bossed teams in a way that is actually more Mourinho as a human being and yet in a fashion that we would never see under him.
Weird it certainly is.
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Do you work in a sweat shop? How long are your shifts?!
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Of course it was a failure.
He was brought in on huge money to salvage top 4 (we only like 6 points or so off when Poch left) and get a cup. What resulted was pathetic. The new manager boost lasted like 3 games. And this is a guy known for never lasting more than 3 years. It was all "I love this squad so much" and all that bollocks.
This season did start awfully, it's the only reason we spent money. You can look in Levy/ENIC threads, even pro Levy people were furious.
Check how many times in PL history Spurs have been 6 points or less off top after 17 games.
Clue - Other than now ZERO
So relative all previous PL managers of Spurs, Mourino/this Spurs team are actually doing better than any previous !
Got that ?
And by the way I hated dropping 2 points on Wednesday after missing 3 or 4 chances in the first half.
How have you not learned by now that context matters?
In the season we reached the CL final and got 4th, up to around xmas we were in touching distance of pool and city but clearly never winning the league as we were grinding out and battling against shit teams constantly whilst the top 2 were cruising.
Similarly now we are capable of going on a run. More likely to draw against fodder.
Blaming players is fucking stupid as well.
Either blame the manager and/or chairman.
Otherwise you're suggesting we're the only team in history who has ever been so unlucky to constantly keep being blessed with players who can't be arsed despite having the talent to win titles. Us poor unfortunate cursed fans, having to deal with these selfish, evil players. That is literally the argument of twats like
sammyspurs
Get a fucking grip.
Either blame the manager and/or chairman.
Otherwise you're suggesting we're the only team in history who has ever been so unlucky to constantly keep being blessed with players who can't be arsed despite having the talent to win titles. Us poor unfortunate cursed fans, having to deal with these selfish, evil players. That is literally the argument of twats like
sammyspurs
Get a fucking grip.
Can’t agree with any of that, but we all see what we want to.
What I saw at the start of this season was a loss to Everton and then 8 wins and 2 draws in the next 10. Matches in which we scored over 30 goals. As I said, if our awful start was one match against Everton, fine, but otherwise, I’m not having it.
Context is PRECISELY why Spurs having a gap of 6 points or less off top is relevant
And when we were 2nd or 3rd in previous seasons the gap was larger = less good than the top team
Touching distance at xmas .
After that his last league win away from home was Fulham in January before he was sacked in November
10 months later.
Poch is gone dear old Team Tanguy
Excellent post. I said something similar a while back. He sets his teams to play like pussies but gives it the big hard one when talking to the media, oppo mangers or officials.
I'm head of IT where I work. With needing to support COVID work from home, it's basically a sweatshop job these days!
Servers down, you're up. Doesn't matter time of day or night.
Check how many times in PL history the top half of the table is separated by 10 points at (coming up to) the half way stage.
There is pretty much zero point in comparing this season to *any* other. This is an outlier season. The fact that we could feasibly still win the league having drawn or lost 9 of 17 games proves it.
As your post alludes to, it's all relative. And our level in the league recently has been relatively shit.
I know every team in the top 10 could probably claim the same, but, we could definitely be clear at the top if we even got close to our full potential every game. That's the frustration. Not achieving what we are patently capable of.
Talking generally, Fulham played with gusto, purpose, good pace of play and movement, wouldn't surprise me if they chase down 16-17th if that's the level they can maintain, the left back Robinson was full on at it, running and running, impressive display.
They've had epic results recently. They were clearly in good condition and up for it (the amount of 50/50's we had a player bordering injury from, was a siren to say rest more, get fitter, eat better).
We have been somewhat shafted by our Cup progress, but should rotate more for key players, seems a little structureless in that regard, Ferguson was the King of that and Mourinho needs to up his shit in delivering a fit squad, though their day to day fitness isn't bad, we aren't arriving in the zone like many teams are (it's an almost imperceptible state where your food/conditioning is right so your autonomic nervous system is ready to deliver that oxygen to the forward facing organs (Fight or Flight), but I suspect we have weakness amongst the players or the technical structuring, as only Utd away could you say we were in the Zone as I mean it).
They've had epic results recently. They were clearly in good condition and up for it (the amount of 50/50's we had a player bordering injury from, was a siren to say rest more, get fitter, eat better).
We have been somewhat shafted by our Cup progress, but should rotate more for key players, seems a little structureless in that regard, Ferguson was the King of that and Mourinho needs to up his shit in delivering a fit squad, though their day to day fitness isn't bad, we aren't arriving in the zone like many teams are (it's an almost imperceptible state where your food/conditioning is right so your autonomic nervous system is ready to deliver that oxygen to the forward facing organs (Fight or Flight), but I suspect we have weakness amongst the players or the technical structuring, as only Utd away could you say we were in the Zone as I mean it).
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Our traditions over the last 25 years bar 2008 was to crumble everytime we got within distance of winning something.
We have had weak minded squads and managers.