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Tomo said:
Look maybe I am hard on AVB but his football was SO boring.

Look at United, Moyes, LVG and Mourinho. A club with a great attacking tradition reduced to boring shit, we have attacking traditions every bit as great as United if not the success and that is part of what has always made us a fantastic club in my view.
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Sherwood felt like a release from AVB. It was shit but less shitty. AVB lost it the moment one of the best ballers on the planet dumped him in the shit to chase his own dreams.
Sherwood shanked him in the back, only to get shanked a few months later.
Pochettino has been golden. It’s been the best consistent period of watching Spurs I have had. Missing out on cups is a bastard though. Can’t deny that. Would I swap the odd cup & back to mid table mediocrity for what we have now?? Tricky...
 
bus-conductor said:
Jesus, why does everything have to be so fucking melodramatic. We are talking about Tottenham. It's about Tottenham. Do you seriously expect us all to agree on every facet of Tottenham. Or just come on here and chant in unison?

Do you only respect people that think exactly the same as you?

I don't really see it as a bad thing - AVB/Pochettino comparison - as I said, I think Pochettino was a natural evolution, I think he is a better coach, but I don't think they are as fundamentally different as some think.

AVB played a very risk averse, heavy possession biased game that exploited the players he had, like Bale. Pochettino, since 15/16 has pretty much done the same, but with a infinitely better squad and a bit better coaching and tactical application. Since the start of 15/16 we haven't played high tempo, high risk, quick transition football, we play with two very stolid CM's who rarely get anywhere near box, who shuffle the ball about incredibly carefully, and we play big chunk with three CB's.

AVB hit two clubs in the PL who were both going through a major transition, Chelsea with an ageing influential Terry, Lampard etc that were being phased out, and was given no time or backing to bring about a real change, his successor, despite fluking the CL, couldn't manage any better in the league and was sacked not long after, and within two seasons of AVB arriving here we'd lost every single influential player of the previous 3 years, Modric, VDV, Bale, Adebayor (in mind of not body), Gallas, King etc. and had to start completely fresh with a bunch of new players, most new the country as well as the team.
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AVB would play two DMs at home to the likes of Hull while trying to protect 0-0 scorelines.

There is no comparison to be had with Poch.

If Bale had left a year earlier, we would have finished 16th, if we were lucky.
And that’s not down to a poor squad, simply a diabolical manager and shit tactics.
 
Spurs* 2-2 Watford
*Spurs win on penalties.

1-0 down with 10 to play, take a late lead and then still somehow managed to not win the game.
Penalty shootout with 4 perfect penalties sending us through to the next round.

From being a whisker away of going out of the competition to winning a first trophy in 10 years and setting off a golden spell for the club winning trophy after trophy...

:levylol:
 
Oh this looks like an interesting thread.



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Well, since we're on the topic of AVB, I nominate the 5-0 home loss against Liverpool in 2013 as one of the most important games. The moment everyone realised the AVB project had collapsed and set the ball rolling for Pochettino to come in and change everything. It also gave us Tim Sherwood, so there's that...
 
sammyspurs said:
AVB would play two DMs at home to the likes of Hull while trying to protect 0-0 scorelines.

There is no comparison to be had with Poch.

If Bale had left a year earlier, we would have finished 16th, if we were lucky.
And that’s not down to a poor squad, simply a diabolical manager and shit tactics.
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Pochettino played three centre backs and two defensive midfielders away to the bottom club in this league on Saturday. We got outpossessed by the bottom club in the league.

This is what life was like for AVB when he lost Modric and VDV but still had Bale, but for Poch read Eriksen and Alli being absent but Kane still out there, except with AVB we ground out wins and still controlled the ball.

We are not playing scintillating, high press, high tempo, quick transition football. We are playing very risk averse football and grinding out results. In fact, some of the football we have played this season isn’t even as proactive or structurally sound as some we played under AVB, such as Saturday, or against Liverpool or ManU.

There is a comparison. You just don’t like it, or don’t understand it.

In fact, if you don’t want to take my word for it, try reading Michael Cox’s (of zonal marking.com) book about the tactical and coaching evolution of the PL (the Mixer), he also compares AVB and Poch and calls them similar.
 
Tomo said:
AVB won the league with by far the best squad in portugal and did the same in Russia which was what was expected of any manager in that position. He came to England with Chelsea and Spurs and was awful, his football was the most boring in my lifetime. I couldn’t wait till he left, even Sherwood made me slightly happy actually attacking once in a while.
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AVB wasn’t my favourite but I thought he got a rough deal after achieving our highest PL points total

He was also shit on at Chelsea when following Abramovitch’s orders but fuck the Chavs
 
LeeMcl said:
Can’t agree that AVB was one of the worst managers when I have seen gems like the Doug, Ray and El Tel trinity, Ossie’s bad Days, Francis, Gross, Pleat 2, Santini and Tactics Tim, oh & George Graham ! AVB was better than all of them. Just about - although statistics say he was ( at least at the point of sacking) the most successful of all managers in the premier league era.
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Terry Neil?
 
bus-conductor said:
Pochettino played three centre backs and two defensive midfielders away to the bottom club in this league on Saturday. We got outpossessed by the bottom club in the league.

This is what life was like for AVB when he lost Modric and VDV but still had Bale, but for Poch read Eriksen and Alli being absent but Kane still out there, except with AVB we ground out wins and still controlled the ball.

We are not playing scintillating, high press, high tempo, quick transition football. We are playing very risk averse football and grinding out results. In fact, some of the football we have played this season isn’t even as proactive or structurally sound as some we played under AVB, such as Saturday, or against Liverpool or ManU.

There is a comparison. You just don’t like it, or don’t understand it.

In fact, if you don’t want to take my word for it, try reading Michael Cox’s (of zonal marking.com) book about the tactical and coaching evolution of the PL (the Mixer), he also compares AVB and Poch and calls them similar.
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1: Dembele isn’t a DM
2: Three at the back isn’t parking the bus

Neeeeeext
 
Princess Bleach said:
Well, since we're on the topic of AVB, I nominate the 5-0 home loss against Liverpool in 2013 as one of the most important games. The moment everyone realised the AVB project had collapsed and set the ball rolling for Pochettino to come in and change everything. It also gave us Tim Sherwood, so there's that...
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Was that the one where Suerez cheated by ridiculously feigning a dive and got one of ours sent off?
It was a poor performance yes but no way the Dippers were worth 5-0

Similarly the 6-0 defeat at Citeh
We didn’t deserve that scoreline although we didn’t deserve to get anything out of the game

An analogy could be made with a game I attended at the Dippers in 1978 when we had just been promoted under Burkinshaw and had just bought Ossie and Ricky
They were good yes and deserved to win but never by seven as we had numerous attacks and scrambles in their goalmouth but couldn’t score
(What a journey home that was)
 
bus-conductor said:
1. He is being used to avert risk.
2. But it is about risk aversion. Klopp and Guardiola use high fb’s but don’t play 3cb’s (for example) and so did AVB. And AVB never parked a bus.
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You do realise that when we lost at home to WBA, AVB started the game with Dier, Kaboul, Vlad, Capoue and Dembele on the pitch dont you? Hows that for "risk aversion"?

You seem to think that using 3 full backs is more defensive....its actually more attacking
 
sammyspurs said:
You do realise that when we lost at home to WBA, AVB started the game with Dier, Kaboul, Vlad, Capoue and Dembele on the pitch dont you? Hows that for "risk aversion"?

You seem to think that using 3 full backs is more defensive....its actually more attacking
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How many threads is this poisonous troll going to destroy - been a while seen we've had an AVB debate...

New week - same shit. Every thread the same wanker having a go at someone
 
sammyspurs said:
AVB would play two DMs at home to the likes of Hull while trying to protect 0-0 scorelines.

There is no comparison to be had with Poch.

If Bale had left a year earlier, we would have finished 16th, if we were lucky.
And that’s not down to a poor squad, simply a diabolical manager and shit tactics.
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And if Kane hadn’t come through on the way he did it’s highly likely Poch wouldn’t be here now. Prior to Kane’s arrival the football was identical to that under AVB.
 
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The Hood said:
Watch our games prior to Kane being introduced under Poch and then tell me there was nonsi


And if Kane hadn’t come through on the way he did it’s highly likely Poch wouldn’t be here now. Prior to Kane’s arrival the football was identical to that under AVB.
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Ahhh lucky Poch, looks like we are The Harry Kane team after all.

Just one academy striker separates us from tearing Real Madrid apart in the CL and 3rd and 2nd place finishes, to losing 3-0 at home to West Ham while walking around on the halfway line.

Happy days
 
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