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rusty said:
Beef I have with it is the that VAR takes is not added on at the end of the half
in that Liverpool V WBA match it was 8 mins lost due to VAR but the ref only added 5 mins
in our game V the dale, the disallowed goal, the penalty, the penalty kick, the goals, then the second half goals & subs, each goal or goal incident has to be checked more time needs adding on at the end of each half
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Jerry said:
I think the commentators for the Rochdale game said 8 minutes in total were added to injury time to account for VAR, but that the actual time spent waiting was 15. So anyone who went to that match was short-changed by 7 minutes.

Average that out over the course of a season and you’re basically losing 4-5 games worth of actual football.
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mickdale said:
Because you are not waiting 60 seconds for a flag, it’s instant.
If you regularly go to matches, surely you understand what Poch was referring to when he spoke of the emotion.
When your team scores a 93rd minute winner/equaliser against an arch enemy you gave to wait around for confirmation???????
It will kill football as we know it.
Maybe not so much for people sitting next n their living room/pub.....
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Which is why it will only work for Black & White decisions that take a second to see; Exhibit a) Pedro Mendes at OT! Or at a push, an offside that the ref/Lino may have missed in the build up...

What's taking up the time, and sucking the life out of the idea, is using it for contentious decisions like 'was it a deliberate foul in the lead up to a goal?' etc.
Plus there's the issue of keeping the fans INSIDE the Ground informed of what's going on verbally... rather than just pandering to those at home with a Sky/BT subscription!

...although the stadium announcement will have to be more like:
"Give us 5 minutes whilst Dermott and the boys sit down in their cosy room, crack open the wine and sandwiches, while offering their opinions on whether they though there was intent in that foul throw in the lead up to the goal... which they still have to check whether Dele dived or not... Even though he's not even playing in this game!
You fans can sit down for a bit, read your programmes, take some selfies... THEN we'll let you know when you can celebrate... not long now..."

THAT'S what half-time analysis and 2 hours after the game at the pub are for; to dissect exactly THAT kind of incident.
Not to get riled and disillusioned 'cos Mark Clattenburg couldn't see Roy Carroll claw the ball back 6ft over the line and pretend it never happened! (Yeah, you BET it still hurts!)

Besides, if they stick with using it for every little thing, then there would be nothing for Thierry Henry and Jamie Redknapp to talk shit about after the game.. so every cloud, huh?

If VARCE is gonna work, it can ONLY really be for whether the ball crossed the line or not... 'cos GOALS are all football REALLY cares about!
 
that's what's going on in italy:
when the season started it was a disaster! i think referees were a little bit confused and not well informed on how and when to use the var. They were interrupting games multiple times for every single doubt, games lasted forever... BUT game by game, it got better and i have to say that right now it's working decently. They limitate VAR to only CLEAR mistakes (penalty given turns out to be a simulation, or there was a big foul before the penalty or the goal) and it's been perfect in terms of goals given\canceled for offsides (just watch icardi gol not given in inter - milan, he basically had a toe over the line). Of course it's not perfect yet, mistakes are still there, managers complaining about refs are still there (but way way less than before) but it can only improve
 
rusty said:
Beef I have with it is the that VAR takes is not added on at the end of the half
in that Liverpool V WBA match it was 8 mins lost due to VAR but the ref only added 5 mins
in our game V the dale, the disallowed goal, the penalty, the penalty kick, the goals, then the second half goals & subs, each goal or goal incident has to be checked more time needs adding on at the end of each half
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Instil,don’t understand the penalty decision.
I saw a few the same after that.
Lacazette did exactly the same v Stoke last weekend.
It wasn’t an illegal feint.

Fucking terrible decision to disallow that penalty.
That was a clear on obvious error by the ref, but VAR didn’t overrule that.
Also, if one foul is going to get ignored by a defender on a player a second before that player scores a goal because the goal scorer fouled the defender afterwards, then VAR is pointless.
That goal should have stood becuase Llorente was fouled first.
If not then they should have disallowed the goal and given us a penalty.

VAR should just be for offsides, suspected handball goals and clear penalty mistakes like Young v City or blatant dives.
Not to ask another ref for his interpretation of whether he thinks it’s a foul
Ex and current refs cannot even agree now on most decisions. So why are the refs in VAR any different?
 

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Klopp also suggested that VAR would not have helped clear up the controversy over the award of a penalty for Real Madrid in added time of their Champions League quarter-final on Wednesday.

“They’ve had been watching it for two hours before decided. It’s still difficult.

“VAR is there to help the ref, not make life more difficult.”




And that is why VAR can never work
 
sammyspurs said:
Klopp also suggested that VAR would not have helped clear up the controversy over the award of a penalty for Real Madrid in added time of their Champions League quarter-final on Wednesday.

“They’ve had been watching it for two hours before decided. It’s still difficult.

“VAR is there to help the ref, not make life more difficult.”




And that is why VAR can never work
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That’s why the failure of understanding “clear and obvious” has been the failing of VAR.

To me, that was a pen. But it was highly subjective so VAR in that instance sticks with the on-field call. You can say the ref was harsh, that it was soft, but not that it was plain wrong.

And there’s the rub. The VAR ref has fundamentally misunderstood their role; to only overturn absolute obvious errors, quickly. Not to try to get the exact correct call after 20 viewings, but to check there hasn’t been a complete & definite error.

VAR is a perfectly good idea, horribly badly implemented. As usual for football associations. We’re better off without it unless they get to grips with the above.
 
It’s basically like they’ve implemented this system without really thinking through the potential scenarios and how they’d deal with each of them.

It’s utterly farcical how little preparation they’ve put into this major change, I do wonder if FIFA were so keen for it to fail (they’ve always been against video assistance) that they’re making sure everyone hates it.
 
The problem with VAR is implementation not technology ....

Theory - an incident occurs where the VAR team see that the referee has made a 'clear and obvious' error, the VAR official informs the ref (within a very few seconds, that's not hard if it's clear and obvious) and if it's not immediately apparent at first viewing then it's not 'clear and obvious' so not a VAR issue and no need to stop play ... only if the VAR team say it's a 'clear and obvious' error does the ref get informed he then calls back the players, and takes the action indicated by the VAR team ... the referee DOES NOT made some feckin' VAR hand signal to cover his arse, his job is still to call it as he sees it ....

Reality - a contentious issue occurs, the Ref instead of making an on-field decision bottles it and goes to VAR, the VAR team then takes ages reviewing every angle (so not clear and obvious) the Ref then goes to look at his little screen to 'make the call' ... that's a cluster feck and not at all how it's designed ....

If you let VAR do it's job, devoid of refereeing interference, it works very well ... if you try and have a half-way house where the ref stays involved it's always going to fail ...

In trials where VAR teams watched matches but were not active, the average number of 'clear and obvious' refereeing errors where the VAR team would have got involved was less than two per game, that's across over 200 games ... so 200 games less than 400 'clear and obvious' errors ....

But when trialed this supposed 'error rate' increased to 7 or 8 per game ... of course in reality it didn't, what happened is that 'clear and obvious' was replaced by 'anything contentious' ... and the song and dance that went with that ...

That won't work, it's not a refereeing tool it's an impartial third party tool ... until the EPL get that it will fail ...
 
BangkokSpud said:
The problem with VAR is implementation not technology ....

Theory - an incident occurs where the VAR team see that the referee has made a 'clear and obvious' error, the VAR official informs the ref (within a very few seconds, that's not hard if it's clear and obvious) and if it's not immediately apparent at first viewing then it's not 'clear and obvious' so not a VAR issue and no need to stop play ... only if the VAR team say it's a 'clear and obvious' error does the ref get informed he then calls back the players, and takes the action indicated by the VAR team ... the referee DOES NOT made some feckin' VAR hand signal to cover his arse, his job is still to call it as he sees it ....

Reality - a contentious issue occurs, the Ref instead of making an on-field decision bottles it and goes to VAR, the VAR team then takes ages reviewing every angle (so not clear and obvious) the Ref then goes to look at his little screen to 'make the call' ... that's a cluster feck and not at all how it's designed ....

If you let VAR do it's job, devoid of refereeing interference, it works very well ... if you try and have a half-way house where the ref stays involved it's always going to fail ...

In trials where VAR teams watched matches but were not active, the average number of 'clear and obvious' refereeing errors where the VAR team would have got involved was less than two per game, that's across over 200 games ... so 200 games less than 400 'clear and obvious' errors ....

But when trialed this supposed 'error rate' increased to 7 or 8 per game ... of course in reality it didn't, what happened is that 'clear and obvious' was replaced by 'anything contentious' ... and the song and dance that went with that ...

That won't work, it's not a refereeing tool it's an impartial third party tool ... until the EPL get that it will fail ...
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But the thing is most of what is being reviewed is opinion, the ref's opinion vs the VAR's opinion. On this basis alone is what makes it a farce. It works if it measures, like goal line tech, did it cross the line or not? This is a piece of piss to implement, so implement more elements that can be measured. Lloris's pen could have been measured, was it inside or outside the box.

Where it is interpretation of the law then there should be no VAR interference, that call should be with the ref at all times. Offside can be measured too I guess, if so use the tech that can measure & is instantaneous. End.
 
ArcspacE said:
Not really - because when the ref and VAR have the chance to view in in slow-mo form different angles, multiple times they can make a much more informed decision. How is that even an argument?
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The VAR team have one opinion vs the ref's opinion that's how. The fact something gets picked up by VAR means they view the decision differently ergo they have a different opinion than the ref. It's no different then what happens in TV studio's right now, was it wasn't it a pen, viewed multiple times, from different angles all in slow-motion, yet 3 people think it was a pen and three think it wasn't, with nothing being resolved. This is interpretation, there is NO black or white on the call, nothing changes, other than it creates more debate as people not only debate the pen but now the very system that is being used.
 
Guido said:
The VAR team have one opinion vs the ref's opinion that's how. The fact something gets picked up by VAR means they view the decision differently ergo they have a different opinion than the ref. It's no different then what happens in TV studio's right now, was it wasn't it a pen, viewed multiple times, from different angles all in slow-motion, yet 3 people think it was a pen and three think it wasn't, with nothing being resolved. This is interpretation, there is NO black or white on the call, nothing changes, other than it creates more debate as people not only debate the pen but now the very system that is being used.
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I'm seeing the VAR in this year of series A. In some cases it was useful. Other times it has generated even more controversy. I would have expected 0.1% errors. The impression is that a standard protocol is still lacking
 
Guido said:
The VAR team have one opinion vs the ref's opinion that's how. The fact something gets picked up by VAR means they view the decision differently ergo they have a different opinion than the ref. It's no different then what happens in TV studio's right now, was it wasn't it a pen, viewed multiple times, from different angles all in slow-motion, yet 3 people think it was a pen and three think it wasn't, with nothing being resolved. This is interpretation, there is NO black or white on the call, nothing changes, other than it creates more debate as people not only debate the pen but now the very system that is being used.
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None of the above is true - I think your opinion is badly skewed due to that one FA Cup game we got screwed
 
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