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News #WeAreAllIdrissa is the #1 Worldwide Trend on Twitter, after many Muslims went to Twitter to show their support for Idrissa Gana Gueye after he refuse

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RomanzoCriminale said:
Go out in any gay bar on a weekend and you will see Muslims, it's not 1980 anymore. Of course someone can be religious and still be gay, drink, have sex before marriage. This isn't the great enlightenment, people are more likely to take what they feel they need or want from religion these days rather than be ruled by indoctrine.

Don't get me wrong there are still strict religious families, there always will be I'm sure.
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I’m not saying there’s any shortage of people who claim to be religious whilst also being/doing something that religion abhors….I’m just saying it doesn’t really make sense to me.

The religious texts are unequivocal. If people take what they feel like they need from any religion…it’s kinda missing the point of it (or is it!?). If any of the abrahamic religions ruled the world, that is not a place you’d want to be gay. Fortunately, in much of the world people have the state and laws which protect them from religion….it’s just kinda weird that some of those who benefit from protection from those religions….choose to then follow said religion.

But seeing as my view is every single word of every religious text is made up fables, I can see there is an argument to say there are no rules, interpret what you like.

You won’t find many actually religious people who agree, mind
 
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KaneIsAble said:
I do those things cos if my mum found out about my atheism she'd break down and cry, and I can't predict if she'd ever forgive me. If my extended family found out, I could be in danger.

My father rarely prayed, and was subject to insults and roumours, so he went ahead and had an entire mosque built in his home village. I nag my mum into giving them less money but I can't refuse to give anything at all.

The only openly atheist Bangladeshi I know of was boycotted out of the town. No one would sell groceries to him, and or do business with him. He moved to a different town and eventually out of the country.
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So maybe you should change the thread title to something like "I was born a Muslim but walked away and my family can't accept it...."

Then you can have an honest conversation about the problems (which must be awful) you face. I'm sure you'll find a lot of support on this board, from myself included.
 
RomanzoCriminale said:
So maybe you should change the thread title to something like "I was born a Muslim but walked away and my family can't accept it...."

Then you can have an honest conversation about the problems (which must be awful) you face. I'm sure you'll find a lot of support on this board, from myself included.
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My family is good people, thank you for the offer though.... appreciate it.
 
KaneIsAble said:
White/non-Muslims in the UK don't realise how ghettoised Muslims are here. The ones they interact with are the most liberal ones, not at all representative of the wider Muslim community.

So when they get all emotional and accuse me of biggotry they are in fact acting as a roadblock to further liberalisation of Islam in the UK.
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Wtf would you know, you're not Muslim yourself anymore. I don't care how much Eid prayers you've been to. I am one of these generally non-liberal traditional Muslims that you love talking about. On two occasions now I've asked you to discuss issues about Islam and its texts but on both occasions you've refused claiming that you will end up getting banned. You then turn around and start a thread like this.

And no, your previous bans werent for being against Islam. This whole forum is non-Muslim so presumably everyone here is against one aspect of Islam or another. Your problem is your bullshit generalisations and then upon being challenged or questioned getting irate and calling posters dumb fuckers.

Oh and I've lived in Muslim countries and been out on Friday noon prayers and nothing happened. I wasn't lynched. I wasn't arrested. Nothing. Sorry to quell your fantasy
 
Another weird as fuck thread brought to you by the folks at TFC.

Can’t wait for the summer!

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Fazz said:
Wtf would you know, you're not Muslim yourself anymore. I don't care how much Eid prayers you've been to. I am one of these generally non-liberal traditional Muslims that you love talking about. On two occasions now I've asked you to discuss issues about Islam and its texts but on both occasions you've refused claiming that you will end up getting banned. You then turn around and start a thread like this.

And no, your previous bans werent for being against Islam. This whole forum is non-Muslim so presumably everyone here is against one aspect of Islam or another. Your problem is your bullshit generalisations and then upon being challenged or questioned getting irate and calling posters dumb fuckers.

Oh and I've lived in Muslim countries and been out on Friday noon prayers and nothing happened. I wasn't lynched. I wasn't arrested. Nothing. Sorry to quell your fantasy
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He absolutely was banned for repeatedly criticising Islam before
 
Darnswim said:
Racism is not the same because you're insulting another person based on his appearance.

Idrissa is not doing that. He's not making hate speeches about gay people, he's refusing to wear the rainbow color. Real life scenario: I have a Serbian friend that I recognised from living in France, however, would I wear the Serbian flag or do the 3 finger symbol? Absolutely fucking not.
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That's a strawman if I ever saw one. Supporting a cause for a marginalised group which is represented across nationalities, etnicities and religion is not the same thing as supporting a specific nationality, Serbian, just cause your friend says so.

No, Gueye can't and shouldn't be forced to support the cause by wearing the shirt. It doesn't change the fact that it reflects poorly on him. And - sorry - anyone defending him.

If people want to hold the belief that homosexuality is a sin based on an ancient book, then by all means be my guest. I don't get it, but go ahead. Problem is when - and that's most of the time - religion becomes not about one's personal beliefs (and beliefs about sin) but instead about how other people should live.

The cause isn't about gay rights per se imho. It's about the right to live how you fucking well please, as long as it's not at the expense of others. Gueye has the right to his religion, and gay dudes have the right stick their cock whereever they please (within consent), and Gueye can sit at home and find it disgusting and against god if it makes him feel better.
 
Why can’t we just say “they his opinion” and move on? Why does it matter if someone supports or doesn’t support? As long as we don’t force our opinions on people and be violent, it shouldn’t matter what an individuals beliefs are.
 
MemphisWill said:
He's a cunt for not wearing the shirt, but this is why sporting officials need to stick to sport. This sort of stuff is bound to happen when you try to force people to be advocates/activists for causes outside of their own choosing. If players want to advocate for social causes, all power in the world to them. But just deciding to make them do it of your choosing isn't right either - even if the cause is right.

That said, he had no problem wearing a shirt pimping the gambling site that paid his wages while he was at Everton.
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It does to an extent come down to your employer/industry/culture. I work for a company that promotes diversity heavily. If I didn't, that would be a problem. If you choose to play in a league, in a culture, in a country that is diverse, you have to embrace that.

Otherwise, go play in a different league where sports is not focused on diversity.

He is free to choose where he works.
 
KaneIsAble said:
Society and religion are not two disjoint sets. They both influence each other, and especially in Muslim countries they are practically one and the same.

Try being out and about on a Friday noon in Bangladesh, Pakistan etc. Or trying to eat something in public during Ramadan.

I get where your instinct to not label all Muslims as bad people comes from but it's misguided and counterproductive. No one is saying all Muslims or exclusively Muslims are homophobes.
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I didn't label them at all.
 
1991Spurs said:
It does to an extent come down to your employer/industry/culture. I work for a company that promotes diversity heavily. If I didn't, that would be a problem. If you choose to play in a league, in a culture, in a country that is diverse, you have to embrace that.

Otherwise, go play in a different league where sports is not focused on diversity.

He is free to choose where he works.
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Eh. The company promoting diversity as its values and forcing you to promote diversity is different. Do they force you to do outreach work speaking to women and minorities about pursuing your field?

Again, it's a great cause. But forcing someone to support your cause isn't ok to me. And it's obviously going to create issues.
 
MemphisWill said:
Eh. The company promoting diversity as its values and forcing you to promote diversity is different. Do they force you to do outreach work speaking to women and minorities about pursuing your field?

Again, it's a great cause. But forcing someone to support your cause isn't ok to me. And it's obviously going to create issues.
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No they don't but I am responsible to promote the company and its aims, one of which is diversity. That is all that was asked,wear a shirt.

Imagine it is in most people's employment policies.
 
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