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ochfacepalm:Why would we mock? We're huffing and puffing mid table our highlight of the season playing them and hoping for a result which were far and few between while Wenger was there! They were having glamour European nights whilst if we scraped top 6 and we had trips to the middle of nowhere........Our ridicule was possibly aimed at the fact they didn't go any further than top 4 and CL. As we are now and I'd the majority are satisfied with the exception of a few! And I agree the CL is a money making scam of the highest order.
In the last 15 years we have only finished below 5th place 3 times and one of those placings was 6th. We haven’t been a mid table team for a very long time and we have had consistent European football in that time and have played the likes of Inter, Lyon, Sevilla, PSV, Leverkusen, Feyenoord in the UEFA most of who we have played in the CL so hardly unknown sides in the middle of no where. We mocked them because from 2007 onwards they had little interest in challenging it was all about qualification. We mocked them because Wenger actually said that finishing 4th was like winning a trophy and they actually celebrated like such when they qualified in 2013.
'What's wrong with it now' is that we'd like to think we've crossed that bridge. In fact I reckon we're still crossing it.
Plus, there's that little word, 'ambition'.
We need to win something proper this season - or maybe next season, once we're fully bedded into NWHL. To tell the truth, we're DESPERATE to win something.
The fact that even the thread title had to be changed just tells says you the state of play when it comes to our manager.
Yet people are content to not win anything again.....I dont understand that.
How many times are people going to avoid the question?
What did they expect from the new signings and why is large scale investment in the team always such a hot point. To the point people want the chairman to “fuck off” for “neglecting” the side and “not backing” the manager..
Then when we hold onto all our key players, plus sign the number one CM (most peoples MUST HAVE player) plus an long term target AM and winger/LB (which most people highly rate) for a combined £130M, suddenly people are ok with the same outcome as last season.
Last season which had the most “disastrous and shambolic” window in the history of the club and which saw Dembele leave and not be replaced. Which was on the back of a World Cup leaving the whole squad “fatigued” and which saw over 50 injuries.
We can also take out the Wembley factor and playing away for two years. Now we have a home.
But our targets shouldn’t be a little higher?
Be honest, we all know it’s damage limitation because if Poch doesn’t win anything this year, then people can’t have old posts dragged up where they said “we need to win something now......”
Because god forbid you look like a “Poch hater” online eh...
My point is simply that I would like Spurs to win something and I feel this team has been capable of a domestic in the 6 years Poch has been here.
He has said himself in the past they are worth fuck all, and for me that’s a really shit reason to be sitting here without a trophy.
The manager says only the PL and CL are worth winning, then when fans say they expect silverware we are called entitled.
When the club lowers its expectations then so will I.
It is possible to appreciate our progress, but still see our flaws. It’s called balance.
They may have “bottled it” under Simeone but for me Simeone would be playing a style of football that would suit our key players, thus getting the best out of them more often.
And I absolutely condone dropping the stars.
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Point is that Everton don’t shout about titles and the elite every season......yet we win the same amount as them.
Why should we be content with no silverware when we are constantly told that’s what this club and these players want.
But then you can apply that concept to anything.......lose 8-0 to City, is it hollow to say we should have done better?
Don’t sign any players......”we should have”.....is that an empty statement then?
It’s not my job to ensure we win something....it’s the managers. Give me 8M a year and I’ll give it a damn good try though.
First job would be to scrap the diamond and play Dele up top.....see, I’ve already won over the fan base
And I have time for yours which is why we don’t do cunt offs, and can have good and heated debate
If you had actually read the thread you would know I was here before you asked where I was.
You’re right i haven’t been here in the last couple of months because firstly I got banned for a month for asking this very question when we signed Tanguy.
I was then banned for another month for challenging the suggestion that our training ground was a game changer when middle of the table PL clubs are building similar complexes.
Outrageous behaviour on my part - clearly. I need to remember it’s feelings over facts
But a heads up expect to see me when difficult questions are asked .
You see I don’t give free passes so readily - You won’t see me admitting publicly that I haven’t criticised the manager not once in the time he has been here for instance
I've been a bit busy of late so if there's a thread with a lot of posts I don't read them all.
Your banning had nothing to do with me, I don't red card anyone anymore for having a contrary opinion. Racism, sexism etc....yes, different opinions ....no.
I also won't see you publicly giving Poch praise when it's due.
Peace out.
I have repeatedly stated that he is a good manager that he is the best I have seen at the club. The point is about his level - the narrative from the supporter base doesn’t match the reality of his achievements.
That’s what I point out and draw attention to why he hasn’t been able to win anything with this group of players when inferior sides have. I keep on being told he is an elite manager and yet tell me what differentiates him from the likes of Pep, Klopp, Simeone, Conte, who are all a similar age to him?
When a club manager consistently keeps on failing at the last hurdle surely the supporters have to ask questions? Our loyalty lies with the club not its employees.
We are the only club in the top 6 not to have won anything when have had the second highest points total in the league during his tenure. And yet that question is met with silence.
Sammy has also asked a pertinent question - why after having a huge market spend ( and also now a billion pound stadium) do so many of our supporters have the same expectation level as last season?
There is a complete refusal by some to place any semblance of pressure or expectation on the clubs manager. It is utterly bizarre.
You won’t find it - just like you wouldn’t find me praising Klopp for getting to finals and losing . Simeone is one of my favourites managers - when I list his achievements it will centre on a La Liga win and UEFA cup wins not losing to Real in a CL final.
That is the primary difference here you believe getting to semi finals and finals is enough whereas I don’t. I firmly believe this team is good enough to go all the way and it’s not.
No one cares about the runner up - this isn’t the Olympics, there is no silver medal. You are only remembered if you win. And you know this - if it was Woolwich support let saying this in 2006 or a Liverpool supporter in 2018 you would be saying the exact same thing I am now but somehow it is different when it comes to us.
Part of me thinks that if we don't win trophies we'll struggle long term to keep our best players, but at the same time I wonder why these same players didn't turn up in the CL final when they had a genuine shot at winning the best trophy in club football. It was their's for the taking, yet the majority of them played really badly. If they want trophies so bad why aren't they working harder for them?
If we keep Eriksen and buy defensively in January then I'd be disappointed if we didn't win a trophy.
Without those criteria, I don't see how the team is particularly stronger than any other recent year.
Without those criteria, I don't see how the team is particularly stronger than any other recent year.