Then erect a statue of the man outside the stadium, love a statue me take turns in standing in his shadow
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Do you accept everywhere else he has been he is a hit the ground running , short term success then leave or get fired, quite often in a toxic way manager?
I will exclude Porto as cannot be bothered to research his period there , but it was amazingly successful I admit.
So by the end of this season he won’t be far off two seasons in, he has already had 3 transfer windows.
What makes you think if he cannot provide his usual quick fix before it gets messy it is worth persisting with him?
I admit he could still win two trophies and still get 4th as I type ,although the latter is unlikely after our timid capitulation to Woolwich.
From a personal perspective I cannot abide his style of football and even if we do win a trophy the cost is not worth it for me.
What are you seeing that makes you believe he is now a give him time , if we are patient he will deliver manager. The teams progress , or lack of and his scorched earth approach previously don’t fit that narrative
i hope with all my heart I am wrong and he delivers trophies and good football , but cannot see it. We never faced a decent team in the Carabao reaching the final , or thus far in the Europa league, [ I accept you can only beat what is in front of you}. However we have gone backwards since Xmas failing against any half decent team.
Inter Milan was probably an exception now I think of it, but I still stand by the above
Competing with Neil Harris for the spurs job hopefully
Get rid of Son?
Gifted...
Contract issue mate. And age. I think he is a world class striker, but at 29 and with 12 months on a contract we cannot afford to repeat the mistakes of Eriksen. Assuming he goes for a good fee and that money is reinvested then he has to be sold. That is the non emotional decision I feel.
Got to agree.
It is too easy to see it as reducing our effectiveness but bigger picture has to be considered.
We need to either rebuild completely or slowly morph into sonething different.
That means making tough decisions. If Son wants to stay and it gets sorted quickly then fine but we have played this tune before and been left tone deaf.
His contract runs out in 2023, no?
The problem is, evem with a DoF, Levy is still too involved.
And what we really need, is a team. A DoF who is well known to the coach and they both trust eachother. And Levy to loosen the purse strings when a good opportunity comes up.
I get the impression from you and other posters that whatever he wins it won’t be good enough
You say we didn’t beat any decent teams in the Caraboa cup this season but I recall knocking Chelsea out earlier
We have had some good PL results notably 6-1 at OT 2-0 against City and 2-0 against Scum
I do concede that we have been woefully inconsistent and Sunday was a good example
Jose inherited a shambles and he still doesn’t trust some of his players especially in defence and Ndombele in midfield
I’ve seen enough to give him next season if we can get a couple of decent signings this Summer
One of his biggest rickets was buying Doherty
This is spot on.
Our star men are not the arrogant win at all cost types that I think you truly need to be successful.
I'd argue Walker and Rose were, one left and went on to win everything and the other missed out on his move and fell off a cliff.
Toby, Jan, Dembele, Eriksen, Kane, Dele, Lloris, Son - exactly as Jose said: a bunch of nice boys.
Not the type to hold players responsible for ducking responsibility.
Even if you go through the unspectacular United team they seem to play with a sort of arrogance, a self belief that probably stems from the size of the club rather than the individual's quality. Players like Fernandes, Rashford, McTominay etc.
There's no quick fix to changing the mentality at a club, you effectively need a full turnover of the playing staff - Jose was brought in to be that quick fix and it hasn't worked.
This part. Levy needs to go. Its just big mistake after another on the pitch. He has really wasted having the massive luck that is having kane come through the ranks. Not even 1 trophy for kane.
Ideally ENIC sells to someone who actually wants to win thing's. But if not, levy needs to retire or at the very least just stay out of footballing matters. He just messes things up & gets in the way. No signings, then here's 5m bonus for you (when we are meant to be skint) which he then follows by wasting 45m on jose. Cheers levy
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Luckily for him he has many on here who would gladly throw themselves in front of a bullet destined for him. Bodyguard kevin Costner style. Levy would reward them with a 5% off voucher for last seasons kit. & 1 ticket to any spurs match*
*spurs women's team.
Sounds good. I love erectionsThen erect a statue of the man outside the stadium, love a statue me take turns in standing in his shadow
Agree with parts of this.
People are over complicating the notion of a leader and putting people in to suit.
To be clear Walker and Rose were never leaders for differing reasons and neither is Son but again for a different reason..
That person who leads does so by presence or performance. They do so because they are the person who the other players respect and admire. Who on their day drags the others with them in whichever way the situation dictates.
In the last 6/7 years when we got close but never quote got there, my view is that the player who was the silent leader was Dembele. Not saying he should have been captain but he had that presence as outlined above.
The reason why we did so well for a few years however was quality and consistency. That"s what City have right now bevause they have no Kompzny and now most of the time Fernandinho.
We really have nobody who is above the line often enough, other than possibly Kane, and yet he has games where he makes next to no impact.
Crucially and I think bizarrely there are some defenders/teams that obviously have little fear of Kane as well. That was never the case with Henry, Drogba and Shearer. Odd.
Theres no one out there willing to buy a club to win things anymore. Its all about making money now. Hence why frodo is still in charge at manure despite constantly flopping in big games. As long as he delivers champions league owners are happy
Never said Walker and Rose were leaders but I think they were individually "winners". They had the arrogance to be personally hurt by defeats and they genuinely thought they were the best around in their positions.
Walker proved how ambitious he was with the move and subsequent success, Rose was unable to get his move but he tried.
I think if you fill your team with enough of these types you become difficult to beat because of the sheer will to win across most of the group.
Dembele was definitely a leader on the pitch in the sense that he was a one man army in the middle and allowed us to control the games but off I don't believe he was.
He was a very relaxed character (see also Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Lloris) who developed late in the game and didn't seem to be obsessed with winning or becoming the best midfielder in the world which his talent could have allowed.
You need more Robertson-type characters in your squad to push you over the line imo.
2022 I thought ? Happier if it’s 2023. Although the age v fee issue remains.
Thanks for cheering me up! So we are left with owners who just care about profit
