He’s the sort of player that should be a club signing rather than a manager one.
At best he’ll become a great sighing and do wonders and at worst will probably double the money on selling him.
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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread
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At best he’ll become a great sighing and do wonders and at worst will probably double the money on selling him.
This is not unique to Spurs as well.
Few managers are directly involved in player scouting. They usually just tell the sporting director about what positions/characteristics they would like in a player and then the scouting department does the rest.
Poch in his final years was a bit of an old school outlier in that regard since he was more involved in picking individual targets than most managers.
I hear aarons is thinking of Woolwich
I don't think Aurier is better enough than KWP to justify buying and salarying him, at the time we did, rather than just giving KWP the same amount of game time that Poch gave Aurier (most of it has been hapless so I don't understand how you declare him much better)- in the hope that KWP might have actually continued to develop and improve. Maybe if after 12-24 months of KWP being rotation RB and a lot more game time we decide he's not quite good enough, (the worst case scenario) we could have then sold him for a decent amount and put that toward a better RB than Aurier.
You say two managers have shared that opinion, but that didn't work out too well for one of them did it.
I'm not saying KWP is categorically more viable than Aurier, I'm saying there's not enough in it to warrant wasting KWP's career, whilst wasting money (25m plus another 25m of wages) on Aurier.
It's just poor management of resources for a club that operates a sustainable fiscal policy.
I agree, Sissoko should be in a different position to Onomah. Onomah is a CM, Sissoko's a wide AM who should be nowhere near and fucking midfield (even Mourinho said so), but that is where we've ended using Sissoko for a huge chunk of his time with us.
But if you like, you could instead weigh up keeping and giving game time to both Edwards and Onomah verses buying and paying Sissoko (30m plus 30m +) to play (fucking abysmally) in both their positions.
Keeping Onomah and Edwards as squad/rotation and giving them minutes in CM and AM instead of wasting those minutes on Sissoko would not have seen us any worse off than watching that dopy cunt bumble around like a turtle in a windsock. And they would have had chance to develop like KWP. If we decide they aren't good enough for a top 4 side after 18 months of ad hoc minutes and performances then cash in and buy one decent player, not waste a shit ton of money.
And by the way, Onomah was never terrible. He played a bunch of sporadic ad hoc games, spread out over 3 years, not one of them in his proper position, not one start in the league with a proper first team around him, always in mish mash sides, and he never shit the bed once, just generally looked like what he was, a kid out of position, in ad hoc sides getting one game every 4 months, as a winger when he's a CM.
My point, which gets misunderstood or wilfully misrepresented over and over is not that these kids would necessarily have been ultimately good enough, or even better than those players we bought, it's that we as a team would almost certainly have been no worse off for using them instead of, and with development we might have been (varying degrees of ) better, and we would have definitely been financially much better off and could have used that money much better.
Sissoko has been garbage for his entire time here, technically woeful, complete lack of football intellect, hiding from the ball, bumbling around with his fucking arm stuck in point. It took Aurier 3 years to learn how the take a throw in. They've contributed, along with pea brains like Moura, to our decline. Buy and play stupid inept players, end up a stupid inept team. That's what we had become.
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We should be paid for taking Giroud
I watched Eraserhead yesterday and I couldn't get you out of my mind. I'm losing it....
I'm no super scout but honestly have not been super impressed by him when I've seen Norwich anyway. Seems a decent talent but not someone I'd be chomping at the bit to bring in
Me neither....
Would rather Cantwell, Beundia, Pooki or Lewis before looking at Aarons.
Agreed. Really good player
I think Lewis is the better of their FB's. Aarons does a lot of busy bustling but if you pay attention , not a lot comes of it. I'm definitely not convinced. A lot of hype about an average/ goodish player.
I really like Lewis. Think he’ll become a excellent FB
100% this! we need a LB as badly as we do an RB! Jamal Lewis looks an excellent option!
I think in fairness we need the defence and keeper swapped out, but that isn't going to happen straight away. so we make the best of what we have.
I agree with you, I think we need a LB,RB & CB
in my dream world - Lewis, Dias, Semedo then Hoijberg and Giroud
I appreciate that's not likely so we might just get a RB and Hoijberg, stick with Davies and Sess at LB and Dier/Sanchez/Toby and Foyth at CB- Though this terrifies me!
I can't see us getting top four this or next year with that shitty defence, I'm not sure even before the pandemic the club would have invested heavily, certainly now this has made the situation harder.
100%.
The situation at present is mental and with no certainty for the end of this season let alone next.
But we already know the sh!t to come with us whatever the circumstances.
I totally understand your argument BC, but the issue is it’s based off your frankly outrageously overrated ideas of how good some of our youth players could/would have been.
KWP was training with our first team since roughly the end of 15/16. Do you really think that if Poch had seen real ability in him he wouldn’t have broken through in the following seasons? I’m not Mourinhos biggest fan by any means, but the fact he was more than happy to show KWP the door having immediately, despite him being our only other right back bar Aurier, tells you all you need to know about his ability surely.
On Onamah, I would have to disagree with what his performances were like when he played for us. He broke into the first team around the same time as Winks, and the difference between them when they played was night and day. Winks was confident, composed, strong on the ball and looked to have real potential. Onomah looked out of his depth, loose on the ball, slow, poor technically and just overall not very good. To use your favorite phrase he simply “bumbled” around the place doing nothing. He was then sent on loan to championship clubs, where he also stunk the place out. So no, as much as I agree with you that Sissoko has been overall pretty shit for us, I don’t believe for a second Josh Onomah would have been any better or even on par.
Don’t do this to me... he’s going to cost someone a fortune - and it won’t be us paying it
