Premier League 20/21 Targets and Expectations.

[Igula]

And all would get into our team

Mina is not better than Sanchez or Toby, Gomes unlikely to based on Jose's love for Sissoko and Winks and the fact he is worse than Ndombele that sits on the bench.

Richarlison is interesting as he is clearly behind Kane and Son, but maybe we shoe horn him in on the wing instead of Moura or Begwijn. Which would work.

But again this comes down to scouting which is your complaint. Nothing to do with who we can or can't get based on CL.

 

[skywalker68]

Half an half, Poch made those players who they where, he is the best at developing players of a coach I have seen at the club, where as Jose is the master tactician. Without Poch you wouldn’t have had the squad in the first place but your right he doesn’t have Jose ruthless cunning. So for us in our position we needed Poch to build the squad then Jose to play the final, not sure how you work that.

I think it's that ruthlessness that may well get the club over the line.

 

[Igula]

Really? Playing son at LB in the FA cup semi final against Chelsea who gave away a pen, then playing an unfit Kane in the CL final whilst the hatrick hero sat on the bench, easiest game Van dyke probably had all season.

Playing Kane was 100% the right decision.

Moura sucked before the "hattrick" game sucked bad after it as well. In the game in which he scored a hattrick there wasn't a single goal he scored which was some great play by him he was just the guy in right place. Good for him for being there but his play before and after that game showed it was a fluke not because of his great ability.

 

[skywalker68]

Playing Kane was 100% the right decision.

Moura sucked before the "hattrick" game sucked bad after it as well. In the game in which he scored a hattrick there wasn't a single goal he scored which was some great play by him he was just the guy in right place. Good for him for being there but his play before and after that game showed it was a fluke not because of his great ability.

There was many examples of poch and his strange tactical decisions, waiting until ten minutes from the end to make subs, it was almost as if he couldn't believe his set wasn't working, he had to go in the end list the team and Jose is the right decision.

 

[Igula]

It's much more likely with a proven winner in charge instead of a guy who has won fuck all in his career.

Not when the majority of those wins came many years ago when the game was different and for completely different clubs.

Jose had chances to win trophies for us this season and his ruthlessness and winning pedigree did nothing to help us win anything.

 

[Igula]

There was many examples of poch and his strange tactical decisions, waiting until ten minutes from the end to make subs, it was almost as if he couldn't believe his set wasn't working, he had to go in the end list the team and Jose is the right decision.

Have you watched Jose this season?

You think he is going to be the one to improve on the strategy of waiting too long to make subs?

 

[sammyspurs]

LOL

I love how it is all on Poch not the actual players in the game. From 20-15-18 they were not the best team in every competition that they were in. It is tough to win trophies that is why so few teams do. Could we have won sure, but we had a lot of bad luck that lost us chances as well as perhaps some faults with Poch but he was hardly close to the main reason we did not win trophies.

The idea that a manager can win in the future with totally different teams in totally different eras just because he won in the past is ridiculous.

You could give Jose a Billion to spend on players and there is zero guarantee he will deliver anything that is the nature of sports.

And Poch didn't suck the life out of anything that was 100% Levy refusing to make the changes the team needed and Poch was begging for.

Levy didn’t take Kane to Preston when he had a newborn baby at home, and bring him on at 6-0 to “show the Preston fans a big player”

A rest would have been nice eh?
Dele, destroyed by trying to “play him into form” for 3 years.

Levys faults are one thing but Pochs faults are his own.
We beat City and Ajax in the CL by using the back up.
But Poch played an injured Kane in the final and suddenly its levys fault for not signing back up?

Bollocks, the manager was a one trick pony and had zero idea outside of the pressing game which he abandoned three years ago, and “Kane, Dele and Eriksen must play every second of every game”.

 

[sammyspurs]

Mina is not better than Sanchez or Toby, Gomes unlikely to based on Jose's love for Sissoko and Winks and the fact he is worse than Ndombele that sits on the bench.

Richarlison is interesting as he is clearly behind Kane and Son, but maybe we shoe horn him in on the wing instead of Moura or Begwijn. Which would work.

But again this comes down to scouting which is your complaint. Nothing to do with who we can or can't get based on CL.

So in your opinion we can attract the same players as City or Real?
Nice one.

Scouting is the issue? You said it was Levy

 

[skywalker68]

Have you watched Jose this season?

You think he is going to be the one to improve on the strategy of waiting too long to make subs?

He changed dier around 30 mins into a game when he was having a shocker, under poch would of been around 79 mins.

 

[Clynelish]

Not when the majority of those wins came many years ago when the game was different and for completely different clubs.

Many years ago and also a couple of trophies with an average United side a couple of years ago, that's basically what he has been doing his whole career: winning silverware. On the other hand you've got coaches who will fuck it up when it really matters, I would rather have a Mourinho in charge than one of those.

 

[Igula]

Levy didn’t take Kane to Preston when he had a newborn baby at home, and bring him on at 6-0 to “show the Preston fans a big player”

A rest would have been nice eh?
Dele, destroyed by trying to “play him into form” for 3 years.

Levys faults are one thing but Pochs faults are his own.
We beat City and Ajax in the CL by using the back up.
But Poch played an injured Kane in the final and suddenly its levys fault for not signing back up?

Bollocks, the manager was a one trick pony and had zero idea outside of the pressing game which he abandoned three years ago, and “Kane, Dele and Eriksen must play every second of every game”.

Yes its Levys fault that we had no quality additions to this team so that when guys like Toby, Rose and Jan started to drop form we had no replacement. So that when Kane went down we had no replacement. When we sold Walker and Trippier we had no replacement. When Eriksen started to sulk we had no replacement. When Dembele was sold we had no replacement.

So that Alli could sulk around knowing that there was no guy to challenge him for his spot. He knew he didn't have focus on improving his all round game because there was nobody to legitimately challenge him.

We beat City and Ajax thanks to luck, a marginal VAR call and the away goals rule. if you look at those games and honestly think we were the better team in both those ties you are insane. The fact we barely got by with all the things going right for us that did should have been the wake up call we needed major change to the squad.

 

[Sir Archibald Crooks]

Every fan was gutted we didn’t sign Bony
Hardly a sign that Mane was a top player in 2016.
We also signed Wanyama that year too......if he had gone to Liverpool and played how he did for us, before his injuries, you’d be saying the exact same thing.
Sometimes, other teams sign players.

You’re taking like Liverpool was Manes consolation prize. It was more than likely his first choice.

Of course it was his first choice because they paid him around £150k a week whilst our top wage at the time was Kane on £90k. It may well have been regardless but we chose not to compete when we had champions league on offer. Back to the original point, having champions league is a pull to a player but not if they can earn a lot more elsewhere. Not sure Wanyama has to do with it, no other champions league sides were interested as far as im aware so we did a cheap, decent deal.

 

[Igula]

So in your opinion we can attract the same players as City or Real?
Nice one.

Scouting is the issue? You said it was Levy

Where did I ever say that?

I have said we can attract better players to our club if we are consistently in the CL than if we are not.

There are players that will come here and stay here if we have CL and not come here and leave if we do not.

This has nothing to do with City or Real and everything to do with us having CL or not having CL.

 

[sammyspurs]

Many years ago and also a couple of trophies with an average United side a couple of years ago, that's basically what he has been doing his whole career: winning silverware. On the other hand you've got coaches who will fuck it up when it really matters, I would rather have a Mourinho in charge than one of those.

It’s like they think Jose should have won trophies when he was a sky pundit for the 18 months he was out of the game too

 

[Igula]

He changed dier around 30 mins into a game when he was having a shocker, under poch would of been around 79 mins.

There were games in which Poch switched guys early as well.

Look how long Sissoko stays out there in games in which we are desperate for a goal.

 

[sammyspurs]

Of course it was his first choice because they paid him around £150k a week whilst our top wage at the time was Kane on £90k. It may well have been regardless but we chose not to compete when we had champions league on offer. Back to the original point, having champions league is a pull to a player but not if they can earn a lot more elsewhere. Not sure Wanyama has to do with it, no other champions league sides were interested as far as im aware so we did a cheap, decent deal.

You are saying two things that are a total contradiction.
If CL was the pull, then why choose a team not in the CL for more money over one that was in the CL?

Money was the pull, and is being CL had fuck all bearing. That’s my point.

 

[sammyspurs]

Where did I ever say that?

I have said we can attract better players to our club if we are consistently in the CL than if we are not.

There are players that will come here and stay here if we have CL and not come here and leave if we do not.

This has nothing to do with City or Real and everything to do with us having CL or not having CL.

Didn’t you say us not paying enough was the problem?
Apologies if not you

 

[skywalker68]

It’s like they think Jose should have won trophies when he was a sky pundit for the 18 months he was out of the game too

Well he won the same amount as poch did in that time so on that score their even.

 

[Igula]

Many years ago and also a couple of trophies with an average United side a couple of years ago, that's basically what he has been doing his whole career: winning silverware. On the other hand you've got coaches who will fuck it up when it really matters, I would rather have a Mourinho in charge than one of those.

Sure I would rather have Mourinho in charge than a coach that will fuck it up but good thing those aren't the only options.

Also a good thing that Poch is not one of those fuck it up coaches either.

 

[sammyspurs]

There were games in which Poch switched guys early as well.

Look how long Sissoko stays out there in games in which we are desperate for a goal.

Poch made Sissoko