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Transfers Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

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cretinousgoat said:
PeH, Doherty, and.a reasonable back up striker like Wilson or DCL would be a decent (solid but not spectacular) window, in my very humblest of opinions.
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Bringing Hojbjerg in to replace (probably) Sissoko as a CM is a definite good upgrade
Bringing in Doherty to replace Aurier is a definite upgrade (better attacker and fewer errors) and he's HG so created another overseas trained player space if Aurier leaves

So far a good window to improve 2 of our starting line up.

3rd GK is not likely to play that much but bringing Hart in (HG) rather than taking up the 3rd GK spot with an overseas trained player is a sensible smart move. Also allows Brandon Austin and Alfie Whiteman to develop on loan this season and maybe they could take the 3rd GK slot n another year or two.

I'd be more positive than you as we've upgraded 2 of the starting X1 so far.
 
Spursidol said:
Bringing Hojbjerg in to replace (probably) Sissoko as a CM is a definite good upgrade
Bringing in Doherty to replace Aurier is a definite upgrade (better attacker and fewer errors)

So far a good window to improve 2 of our starting line up.

3rd GK is not likely to play that much but bringing Hart in (HG) rather than taking up the 3rd GK spot with an overseas trained player is a sensible smart move. Also allows Brandon Austin and Alfie Whiteman to develop on loan this season and maybe they could take the 3rd GK slot n another year or two.

I'd be more positive than you as we've upgraded 2 of the starting X1 so far.
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......And then there's Bale.:memelol:
 
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Thanks for that, some reasonably interesting points.

I think this is a really daft player to be paying money for. Yes he's a system player and yes, that system isn't a million miles from our Mou system (not in terms of shape but in terms of approach to games - more time spent in a medium/deeper block etc) if he was free and we wanted him as rotation for a better RB not so terrible maybe, but at 28yo - it feels like Wolves are doing the smart thing and we are paying them for the player the are rightly upgrading. In Mou's system we might get a decent year out of Doherty, but RB's are the most energetically demanding position on the pitch and he's been at it for a while now, he's not getting any quicker or more energetic, and if/when Mourinho fucks of we are left with another ageing player, barely fit for the purpose of any vaguely proactive, high tempo coach.

For what it's worth, here's a comparison radar with Aurier for PL games last year:

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They both see the same amount of ball (ish) for their teams, both are used as attacking outlets, Aurier creates nearly double the chances Doherty does, has assisted more goals, I think Auier is obviously more likely to do something a bit daft occasionally, but I think he's technically stronger than Doherty in midfield play, and Doherty actually gives the ball away more than Aurier does.

I would much rather we try to buy a player with more of his career ahead of him. I would possibly be happier giving the 27yo Aurier an extension for 1-2 years, bringing in a young RB to rotate and learn the ropes, and then try to sell Aurier next summer - than do this deal. Even if it's better for one season. It just doesn't make sense from a money or squad management perspective.

Obviously of Aurier is refusing a new deal, then he has to go regardless of opinions. And I am not a huge fan of Aurier either, but this deal - paying money for Doherty - doesn't make great sense - especially stupid by Levy from a fiscal perspective, and I fully endorse the kick in Five Five will give him for this if it happens.
 
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FightingIllini said:
Couldn't find it then, but found it now!

www.premierleague.com

2019/20 Premier League squads confirmed

See all the players registered by the 20 top-flight clubs for this season
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And here is the rule, from the same link:



The use of "seasons", and the endpoint being the END of whatever season the player turns 21, would mean that Juan Foyth is homegrown too!

(And if UEFA uses the same definitions, still can't find that, Foyth would also count as one of four "club trained" players, alongside Kane and Winks)
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Juan Foyth's DoB is 12 January 1998 and he joined Spurs in August 2017 when he was 19 - so he cant be at Spurs for 3 years before the age of 21 to qualify as HG, so will always be Overseas trained.
 
bus-conductor said:
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Thanks for that, some reasonably interesting points.

I think this is a really daft player to be paying money for. Yes he's a system player and yes, that system isn't a million miles from our Mou system (not in terms of shape but in terms of approach to games - more time spent in a medium/deeper block etc) if he was free and we wanted him as rotation for a better RB not so terrible maybe, but at 28yo - it feels like Wolves are doing the smart thing and we are paying them for the player the are rightly upgrading. In Mou's system we might get a decent year out of Doherty, but RB's are the most energetically demanding position on the pitch and he's been at it for a while now, he's not getting any quicker or more energetic, and if/when Mourinho fucks of we are left with another ageing player, barely fit for the purpose of any vaguely proactive, high tempo coach.

For what it's worth, here's a comparison radar with Aurier:

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They both see the same amount of ball (ish) for their teams, both are used as attacking outlets, Aurier creates nearly double the chances Doherty does, has assisted more goals, I think Auier is obviously more likely to do something a bit daft, but I think he's technically stronger than Doherty, and Doherty actually gives the ball away more than Aurier does.

I would much rather we try to buy a player with more of his career ahead of him. I would honestly be happier giving the 27yo Aurier an extension for 1-2 years, bringing in a young RB to rotate and learn the ropes, and then try to sell Aurier next summer - than do this deal. Even if it's better for one season. It just doesn't make sense from a money or squad management perspective.
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So the stats about Doherty being the 2nd most creative RB in the premier must have been league only then? because he was above aurier in that by a reasonable chunk.

Also I get your point about it not being a sensible signing for the future, but he is cheap and he is what the manager wants. If Jose is going to succeed here I would expect a couple more signings like this one. Short term signings.
 
bus-conductor said:
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Thanks for that, some reasonably interesting points.

I think this is a really daft player to be paying money for. Yes he's a system player and yes, that system isn't a million miles from our Mou system (not in terms of shape but in terms of approach to games - more time spent in a medium/deeper block etc) if he was free and we wanted him as rotation for a better RB not so terrible maybe, but at 28yo - it feels like Wolves are doing the smart thing and we are paying them for the player the are rightly upgrading. In Mou's system we might get a decent year out of Doherty, but RB's are the most energetically demanding position on the pitch and he's been at it for a while now, he's not getting any quicker or more energetic, and if/when Mourinho fucks of we are left with another ageing player, barely fit for the purpose of any vaguely proactive, high tempo coach.

For what it's worth, here's a comparison radar with Aurier:

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They both see the same amount of ball (ish) for their teams, both are used as attacking outlets, Aurier creates nearly double the chances Doherty does, has assisted more goals, I think Auier is obviously more likely to do something a bit daft occasionally, but I think he's technically stronger than Doherty in midfield play, and Doherty actually gives the ball away more than Aurier does.

I would much rather we try to buy a player with more of his career ahead of him. I would possibly be happier giving the 27yo Aurier an extension for 1-2 years, bringing in a young RB to rotate and learn the ropes, and then try to sell Aurier next summer - than do this deal. Even if it's better for one season. It just doesn't make sense from a money or squad management perspective.

Obviously of Aurier is refusing a new deal, then he has to go regardless of opinions. And I am not a huge fan of Aurier either, but this deal - paying money for Doherty - doesn't make great sense - especially stupid by Levy from a fiscal perspective, and I fully endorse the kick in Five Five will give him for this if it happens.
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Turn that post round.

Aurier wanted out last summer, but agreed to stay. So not unreasonably he needs to go this summer with his contract having only 2 years to run. He was never staying.

JM wants an experienced RB to replace Aurier - and its lower risk to buy a PL experienced RB.

Who are the alternatives to Doherty ?

Spurs have swapped a 27 year old Aurier for a 28 year old Doherty - if rumoured fees are about right. Sure even better if the replacement is say 24 - but even fewer alternatives with tyhe right experience. Think he's better than the other options rumoured we were interested in.

Think Doherty is a very decent upgrade at no or minimal outlay - only slight compromise is age.
 
Joshking5 said:
So the stats about Doherty being the 2nd most creative RB in the premier must have been league only then? because he was above aurier in that by a reasonable chunk.

Also I get your point about it not being a sensible signing for the future, but he is cheap and he is what the manager wants. If Jose is going to succeed here I would expect a couple more signings like this one. Short term signings.
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I don't see how Doherty is considered a more creative RB than Auier. Raw number, Auier 5 assists, Doherty 3 and Doherty played 100 more minutes, Aurier KP per 90 = 1, Doherty 0.6. If you delve a bit deeper Doherty's XA is 2.13, Aurier's is 3.60 (the second highest at Spurs last season).

Doherty did score 4 goals, to Aurier's 1 but that's not being creative for others. And Doherty did play all season as a WB.

Aurier quantifiably creates more and of better quality than Doherty.

I don't think 12m for 28yo who's actually not much better at Aurier at anything except scoring seems like smart squad building to me ?
 
Spursidol said:
Turn that post round.

Aurier wanted out last summer, but agreed to stay. So not unreasonably he needs to go this summer with his contract having only 2 years to run. He was never staying.

JM wants an experienced RB to replace Aurier - and its lower risk to buy a PL experienced RB.

Who are the alternatives to Doherty ?

Spurs have swapped a 27 year old Aurier for a 28 year old Doherty - if rumoured fees are about right. Sure even better if the replacement is say 24 - but even fewer alternatives with tyhe right experience. Think he's better than the other options rumoured we were interested in.

Think Doherty is a very decent upgrade at no or minimal outlay - only slight compromise is age.
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But if we are going to swap 27yo Aurier lets do it for a RB who's younger and at least has potential to be better, not one that's older and not much better and hasn't even been playing as a RB but as a RWB in an extremely conservative team.

I don't love Aurier, I don't mind him going, but this isn't good squad building IMO and this is part of how we've got ourselves fucked up in the first place.
 
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