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The one wally who allegedly broke a camera aside, None of those examples you gave are equivalent to breaking into a largely empty ground and demonstrating in front of a few cameras.
I wouldn't smash up a shop or church for any reasons I can think of so its a false equivalency.

Incidentally I'm not 100% sure but isn't blocking a public road also a crime? emergency services could be impacted? this is why I'm talking about grey areas.

The grey areas and context are very important to any discussion.
Aren't you missing the point .... there should be no grey areas with criminal acts.

Any criminal violent protest is not acceptable ... when you live in a country where you can legally protest with banners, mass gatherings, and peaceful resistance, why resort to crime?
 
That’s a really bad president to set by canceling the game.

I’ve nothing against the protesters and their protests but to cancel the game has now just shown what can be achieved by fans with a grudge.

Would PL have postponed our lasagnegate game had we protested??? What if your team has a load of injuries ahead of a derby, so fans protest, get game called off, game gets rescheduled and team can field a strong side as players recover from injury???
 
wish we could do something on this scale

A proper fuck off to the owners

No way you can compare our ownership with the Glazers. They took out money from the club to buy the club. They didn't spend a penny on the club. They're parasites.

Or Mike Ashley. Bought the club to use as an advertisement for his business. Invested nothing in the infrastructure, just hoping to make a profit with the overall increase in value in football in general.

Our ownership isn't perfect but it could be a hell of a lot worse.
 
That’s a really bad president to set by canceling the game.

I’ve nothing against the protesters and their protests but to cancel the game has now just shown what can be achieved by fans with a grudge.

Would PL have postponed our lasagnegate game had we protested??? What if your team has a load of injuries ahead of a derby, so fans protest, get game called off, game gets rescheduled and team can field a strong side as players recover from injury???
I agree, but not sure what bad political leaders had to do with it ;)
 
I think they will force the owners out this time around, the entire Utd fan base is coming together on this one.....They will get bought out and move on.
We on the other hand will have a divided fan base with ENIC out on one side and Levy apologists on the other.....
One thing about northerners is they are tough & aren't impressed by the rich folk. Us southerners are soft & in awe of the rich. So we keep lining their pockets & supporting them whilst they laugh at us & milk us. As we will continue to do with levy & ENIC.
 
You think the Glazers are going to sell a billion dollar company because a few idiots broke into the ground and smashed up some cameras?

I hope they are that weak but they have shown they don't care about a lot more serious things so hard to imagine 100's of fans breaking the law and looking like idiots change their mind.
What law did they break? Trespass is not a criminal offence. Looked like they just walked in.
 
No way you can compare our ownership with the Glazers. They took out money from the club to buy the club. They didn't spend a penny on the club. They're parasites.

Or Mike Ashley. Bought the club to use as an advertisement for his business. Invested nothing in the infrastructure, just hoping to make a profit with the overall increase in value in football in general.

Our ownership isn't perfect but it could be a hell of a lot worse.
Man Utd have bought whatever player they've wanted and who wanted to come to them.

There was even talk of Sancho for £90 mil. They bought square head for £80 mil.

They spend. They've bought players.

I get why they hate them but it isn't for footballing reasons.
 
Aren't you missing the point .... there should be no grey areas with criminal acts.

Any criminal violent protest is not acceptable ... when you live in a country where you can legally protest with banners, mass gatherings, and peaceful resistance, why resort to crime?
In an ideal world perhaps

We don't line in an ideal world

We live in a world where the rich tread on every cunt, where bankers turn wall street into a giant casino and then come to the tax payer for a bail out when they tank the economy and none of them go to prison.
Tens of thousands of people losing their homes in the process.

Weighing up the rape done to football and the average fan vs. a few pissed up fans climbing into Old Trafford and upsetting the cunts at Sky I say......fair fucks to them.
 
No way you can compare our ownership with the Glazers. They took out money from the club to buy the club. They didn't spend a penny on the club. They're parasites.

Or Mike Ashley. Bought the club to use as an advertisement for his business. Invested nothing in the infrastructure, just hoping to make a profit with the overall increase in value in football in general.

Our ownership isn't perfect but it could be a hell of a lot worse.
Those owners may be worse but it doesn't mean our owners aren't parasites themselves

Their true colours were firmly on display during this ESL fiasco
 
Man Utd have bought whatever player they've wanted and who wanted to come to them.

There was even talk of Sancho for £90 mil. They bought square head for £80 mil.

They spend. They've bought players.

I get why they hate them but it isn't for footballing reasons.

Old Trafford is quite literally falling down! They've spent nothing on it. If you're defending the Glazers then you simply don't understand what they did.
 
What law did they break? Trespass is not a criminal offence. Looked like they just walked in.

Smashing up the cameras, taking corner flags.

Fair enough if trespass isn't against the law England. I just assumed it was. I know in NA it is against the law to just walk into private property whenever you like, but obviously I am not as familiar with English law if that is not the case.
 
Old Trafford is quite literally falling down! They've spent nothing on it. If you're defending the Glazers then you simple don't understand what they did.
I'm not defending anyone. I'm just saying I don't think the fans should be having a go about investment in the squad. Yes they can have a go about the skimming of profits and no investment in infrastructure.

Is ironic really. They get the money put into the football side and aren't happy. We get money put into infrastructure and aren't happy.

Nice symmetry
 
Why did the game get called off??

Surely you just eject the fans and close the gates so they can't get back in.

Have the players and managers become so molly coddled that the slightest thing will "Upset their game".

If Kane gets injured for an important game, can we just go up and protest and get the games called off until he's fit again?
 
I'm not defending anyone. I'm just saying I don't think the fans should be having a go about investment in the squad. Yes they can have a go about the skimming of profits and no investment in infrastructure.

Is ironic really. They get the money put into the football side and aren't happy. We get money put into infrastructure and aren't happy.

Nice symmetry
As shit has Utd have been since Ferguson left (with the exception of Mourinho's first season and this current one), they've still won trophies and will likely win the Europa this year, which is the most galling thing, especially seeing our team of a few years ago pisses on them as a squad.
 
Aren't you missing the point .... there should be no grey areas with criminal acts.

Any criminal violent protest is not acceptable ... when you live in a country where you can legally protest with banners, mass gatherings, and peaceful resistance, why resort to crime?
Civil disobedience was common in the American civil rights movement in the 1960s. Making a blanket statement that any protest the breaks any law should not be allowed is idiotic.
 
Smashing up the cameras, taking corner flags.

Fair enough if trespass isn't against the law England. I just assumed it was. I know in NA it is against the law to just walk into private property whenever you like, but obviously I am not as familiar with English law if that is not the case.
It is not in itself a criminal offence but can be with other associated activities. To be fair it could be construed as aggravated trepass because the intention was to disrupt lawful activities, which is a criminal offence.
 
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