Europa Conference League 2021/22; potential QR2 vs Honka Espoo

[Trotter]

If everything went by seeding through all the competitions (which obviously it won't), but here would be the pots for each competition, to give idea about the strength of each competition when we get to group stages.

Champs League

Pot 1	Manchester City	Manchester United	Atletico Madrid	Bayern Munich
	Lille	Inter Milan	Sporting Lisbon	Zenit St Petersburg
Pot 2	Real Madrid	Barcelona	Juventus	Paris St Germain
	Liverpool	Sevilla	Chelsea	Borussia Dortmund
Pot 3	Porto	Ajax	Shakhtar Donetsk	RB Leipzig
	RB Salzburg	Benfica	Atalanta	Besiktas
Pot 4	Dynamo Kiev	Slavia Prague	Olympiakos	Monaco
	Club Brugge	Young Boys	AC Milan	Wolfsburg
	Europa League
Pot 1	Lyon	Napoli	Bayer Leverkusen	Dinamo Zagreb
	Lazio	Copenhagen	Sporting Braga	Celtic
Pot 2	Eintracht Frankfurt	Red Star Belgrade	Leicester City	Rangers
	Lokomotiv Moscow	Genk	PSV Eindhoven	Ludogorets Razgrad
Pot 3	Marseille	AZ Alkmaar	West Ham United	Real Sociedad
	Real Betis	Fenerbahce	Malmo	Spartak Moscow
Pot 4	Sparta Prague	Rapid Vienna	CFR Cluj	Legia Warsaw
	Midtjylland	Galatasaray	Omonia Nicosia	Ferencvaros
	Conference League
Pot 1	Roma	Tottenham Hotspur	Villarreal	Basel
	Gent	Anderlecht	LASK Linz	Feyenoord
Pot 2	Maccabbi Tel Aviv	Qarabag	Steaua	PAOK Salonika
	AEK Athens	Rennes	Partizan Belgrade	Zorya Luhansk
Pot 3	Union Berlin	Sheriff Tirsapol	Antwerp	F91 Dudelange
	Pacos de Ferreira	Vitesse Arnhem	Sturm Graz	St. Johnstone
Pot 4	Randers	Bodo/Glimt	Shkendija	Kairat
	Neftci Baku	Mura	Shakytor Soligorsk	Slovan Bratislava

So last 16 of Conference League if everything went to seedings would be the Pot 1 Conference teams listed above against the Pot 3 Europa League teams listed above, as the 3rd ranked Europa League teams would all be rated higher than 2nd tier Conference league.
Means winning the group would be important to avoid extra 2 matches.

But it would start to get serious in last 16 with based on coefficeients

Roma, Tottenham, West Ham, Villarreal, Real Betis, Real Sociedad, Basel, Marseille, Feyenoord, AZ Alkmaar, Fenerbahce, Spartak Moscow, Malmo, Linz, Gent, Anderlecht

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

Watching Tottenham on a ????????? night,
You don't play Thursdays because you fucking shite,

 

[ShutUpPatrik]

 

[MemphisWill]

In early round, against lower league teams, yes youth, bench players should play as long as the team is strong enough to advance. There is top teams in league cup to justify to advance and have a go. The sacrifice for this while focusing on the league is manageable.

Europa League with CL pathway is good enough to make the sacrifice. This ECL is not. Why? Thursday football and travel would affect the league schedule the whole season, yet the prize is meh. There is no big match up to look forward to.

You've moved the discussion, you said the EL wasn't worth playing in because it didn't pay enough. I argued that it pays 100X+ what the League Cup (which so many defend for some reason), and so you obviously think we shouldn't try to win that one.

Now you're saying the money doesn't matter, its about how big the teams you're playing are - even if the prize money for playing in the tournament doesn't even cover the player wage cost of participation.

Playing Roma or Villarreal in a final is meh? We haven't won a trophy in 13 fucking years. We were worried about becoming Woolwich with the stadium, but fuck me if we aren't turning into Spam.

 

[mummy]

If everything went by seeding through all the competitions (which obviously it won't), but here would be the pots for each competition, to give idea about the strength of each competition when we get to group stages.

Champs League

Pot 1	Manchester City	Manchester United	Atletico Madrid	Bayern Munich
	Lille	Inter Milan	Sporting Lisbon	Zenit St Petersburg
Pot 2	Real Madrid	Barcelona	Juventus	Paris St Germain
	Liverpool	Sevilla	Chelsea	Borussia Dortmund
Pot 3	Porto	Ajax	Shakhtar Donetsk	RB Leipzig
	RB Salzburg	Benfica	Atalanta	Besiktas
Pot 4	Dynamo Kiev	Slavia Prague	Olympiakos	Monaco
	Club Brugge	Young Boys	AC Milan	Wolfsburg
	Europa League
Pot 1	Lyon	Napoli	Bayer Leverkusen	Dinamo Zagreb
	Lazio	Copenhagen	Sporting Braga	Celtic
Pot 2	Eintracht Frankfurt	Red Star Belgrade	Leicester City	Rangers
	Lokomotiv Moscow	Genk	PSV Eindhoven	Ludogorets Razgrad
Pot 3	Marseille	AZ Alkmaar	West Ham United	Real Sociedad
	Real Betis	Fenerbahce	Malmo	Spartak Moscow
Pot 4	Sparta Prague	Rapid Vienna	CFR Cluj	Legia Warsaw
	Midtjylland	Galatasaray	Omonia Nicosia	Ferencvaros
	Conference League
Pot 1	Roma	Tottenham Hotspur	Villarreal	Basel
	Gent	Anderlecht	LASK Linz	Feyenoord
Pot 2	Maccabbi Tel Aviv	Qarabag	Steaua	PAOK Salonika
	AEK Athens	Rennes	Partizan Belgrade	Zorya Luhansk
Pot 3	Union Berlin	Sheriff Tirsapol	Antwerp	F91 Dudelange
	Pacos de Ferreira	Vitesse Arnhem	Sturm Graz	St. Johnstone
Pot 4	Randers	Bodo/Glimt	Shkendija	Kairat
	Neftci Baku	Mura	Shakytor Soligorsk	Slovan Bratislava

So last 16 of Conference League if everything went to seedings would be the Pot 1 Conference teams listed above against the Pot 3 Europa League teams listed above, as the 3rd ranked Europa League teams would all be rated higher than 2nd tier Conference league.
Means winning the group would be important to avoid extra 2 matches.

But it would start to get serious in last 16 with based on coefficeients

Roma, Tottenham, West Ham, Villarreal, Real Betis, Real Sociedad, Basel, Marseille, Feyenoord, AZ Alkmaar, Fenerbahce, Spartak Moscow, Malmo, Linz, Gent, Anderlecht

I fancy F91 Dudelange (or Diddeleng) to win this cup, based on club name only.

 

[StripiestPilot]

Well the trophy and colour scheme are at least more pleasant to look at than the Europa.

 

[mummy]

Watching Tottenham on a ????????? night,
You don't play Thursdays because you fucking shite,

They've purposely made that trophy less 'trophy like' than the other two, to signify it's of lesser importance. I can hear them in the design meeting now - "Make sure it'z less cup-like zan zee uzzer two trophies, bitte, por favor, s'il vous plait."

That said, the FA Cup is the daddy of 'em all. Nothing else comes close. You should be able to wear a football trophy on your head and it must have a lid that falls off and doubles as a hat.

 

[ShutUpPatrik]

I actually think that the trophy looks class.

It is a simple, clean design. I love it.

 

[Alli-Luya]

If everything went by seeding through all the competitions (which obviously it won't), but here would be the pots for each competition, to give idea about the strength of each competition when we get to group stages.

Champs League

Pot 1	Manchester City	Manchester United	Atletico Madrid	Bayern Munich
	Lille	Inter Milan	Sporting Lisbon	Zenit St Petersburg
Pot 2	Real Madrid	Barcelona	Juventus	Paris St Germain
	Liverpool	Sevilla	Chelsea	Borussia Dortmund
Pot 3	Porto	Ajax	Shakhtar Donetsk	RB Leipzig
	RB Salzburg	Benfica	Atalanta	Besiktas
Pot 4	Dynamo Kiev	Slavia Prague	Olympiakos	Monaco
	Club Brugge	Young Boys	AC Milan	Wolfsburg
	Europa League
Pot 1	Lyon	Napoli	Bayer Leverkusen	Dinamo Zagreb
	Lazio	Copenhagen	Sporting Braga	Celtic
Pot 2	Eintracht Frankfurt	Red Star Belgrade	Leicester City	Rangers
	Lokomotiv Moscow	Genk	PSV Eindhoven	Ludogorets Razgrad
Pot 3	Marseille	AZ Alkmaar	West Ham United	Real Sociedad
	Real Betis	Fenerbahce	Malmo	Spartak Moscow
Pot 4	Sparta Prague	Rapid Vienna	CFR Cluj	Legia Warsaw
	Midtjylland	Galatasaray	Omonia Nicosia	Ferencvaros
	Conference League
Pot 1	Roma	Tottenham Hotspur	Villarreal	Basel
	Gent	Anderlecht	LASK Linz	Feyenoord
Pot 2	Maccabbi Tel Aviv	Qarabag	Steaua	PAOK Salonika
	AEK Athens	Rennes	Partizan Belgrade	Zorya Luhansk
Pot 3	Union Berlin	Sheriff Tirsapol	Antwerp	F91 Dudelange
	Pacos de Ferreira	Vitesse Arnhem	Sturm Graz	St. Johnstone
Pot 4	Randers	Bodo/Glimt	Shkendija	Kairat
	Neftci Baku	Mura	Shakytor Soligorsk	Slovan Bratislava

So last 16 of Conference League if everything went to seedings would be the Pot 1 Conference teams listed above against the Pot 3 Europa League teams listed above, as the 3rd ranked Europa League teams would all be rated higher than 2nd tier Conference league.
Means winning the group would be important to avoid extra 2 matches.

But it would start to get serious in last 16 with based on coefficeients

Roma, Tottenham, West Ham, Villarreal, Real Betis, Real Sociedad, Basel, Marseille, Feyenoord, AZ Alkmaar, Fenerbahce, Spartak Moscow, Malmo, Linz, Gent, Anderlecht

Nice work!

 

[mummy]

I actually think that the trophy looks class.

It is a simple, clean design. I love it.

As an F1 trophy, yes. As a vase from IKEA, yes. As a football cup - not for me. It has no handles.

 

[Herclueless]

If everything went by seeding through all the competitions (which obviously it won't), but here would be the pots for each competition, to give idea about the strength of each competition when we get to group stages.

Champs League

Pot 1	Manchester City	Manchester United	Atletico Madrid	Bayern Munich
	Lille	Inter Milan	Sporting Lisbon	Zenit St Petersburg
Pot 2	Real Madrid	Barcelona	Juventus	Paris St Germain
	Liverpool	Sevilla	Chelsea	Borussia Dortmund
Pot 3	Porto	Ajax	Shakhtar Donetsk	RB Leipzig
	RB Salzburg	Benfica	Atalanta	Besiktas
Pot 4	Dynamo Kiev	Slavia Prague	Olympiakos	Monaco
	Club Brugge	Young Boys	AC Milan	Wolfsburg
	Europa League
Pot 1	Lyon	Napoli	Bayer Leverkusen	Dinamo Zagreb
	Lazio	Copenhagen	Sporting Braga	Celtic
Pot 2	Eintracht Frankfurt	Red Star Belgrade	Leicester City	Rangers
	Lokomotiv Moscow	Genk	PSV Eindhoven	Ludogorets Razgrad
Pot 3	Marseille	AZ Alkmaar	West Ham United	Real Sociedad
	Real Betis	Fenerbahce	Malmo	Spartak Moscow
Pot 4	Sparta Prague	Rapid Vienna	CFR Cluj	Legia Warsaw
	Midtjylland	Galatasaray	Omonia Nicosia	Ferencvaros
	Conference League
Pot 1	Roma	Tottenham Hotspur	Villarreal	Basel
	Gent	Anderlecht	LASK Linz	Feyenoord
Pot 2	Maccabbi Tel Aviv	Qarabag	Steaua	PAOK Salonika
	AEK Athens	Rennes	Partizan Belgrade	Zorya Luhansk
Pot 3	Union Berlin	Sheriff Tirsapol	Antwerp	F91 Dudelange
	Pacos de Ferreira	Vitesse Arnhem	Sturm Graz	St. Johnstone
Pot 4	Randers	Bodo/Glimt	Shkendija	Kairat
	Neftci Baku	Mura	Shakytor Soligorsk	Slovan Bratislava

So last 16 of Conference League if everything went to seedings would be the Pot 1 Conference teams listed above against the Pot 3 Europa League teams listed above, as the 3rd ranked Europa League teams would all be rated higher than 2nd tier Conference league.
Means winning the group would be important to avoid extra 2 matches.

But it would start to get serious in last 16 with based on coefficeients

Roma, Tottenham, West Ham, Villarreal, Real Betis, Real Sociedad, Basel, Marseille, Feyenoord, AZ Alkmaar, Fenerbahce, Spartak Moscow, Malmo, Linz, Gent, Anderlecht

I love that you say it gets serious and then immediately after us on the list you have Wet Spam...



Seriously, their season in the sun is over now, they'll be out of Europe as soon as Astra Goo Goo get wind of their participation, and if they do play in the group stage then their entire season will be fucked abd they'll be back in the relegation battle they belong in.

 

[Coys1955]

I’m not up for this competition at all and won’t spend any money on tickets for it so I’ll be downgrading both my STs to silver after many years at gold. I’ll also be selective with home domestic cup matches against “lesser” opponents now that I’m not committed to buying tickets for every cup match.

I’ll upgrade again once we’re back in the CL (unlikely), EL (possible) or out of Europe entirely (quite likely).

 

[Deleted member 13260]

You should be able to wear a football trophy on your head and it must have a lid that falls off and doubles as a hat.

This image means so much to me.
Especially as a kid through the 90s.

 

[AlabamaSpur]

Play the kids in this thing.

 

[Jenny Talia]

If everything went by seeding through all the competitions (which obviously it won't), but here would be the pots for each competition, to give idea about the strength of each competition when we get to group stages.

Champs League

Pot 1	Manchester City	Manchester United	Atletico Madrid	Bayern Munich
	Lille	Inter Milan	Sporting Lisbon	Zenit St Petersburg
Pot 2	Real Madrid	Barcelona	Juventus	Paris St Germain
	Liverpool	Sevilla	Chelsea	Borussia Dortmund
Pot 3	Porto	Ajax	Shakhtar Donetsk	RB Leipzig
	RB Salzburg	Benfica	Atalanta	Besiktas
Pot 4	Dynamo Kiev	Slavia Prague	Olympiakos	Monaco
	Club Brugge	Young Boys	AC Milan	Wolfsburg
	Europa League
Pot 1	Lyon	Napoli	Bayer Leverkusen	Dinamo Zagreb
	Lazio	Copenhagen	Sporting Braga	Celtic
Pot 2	Eintracht Frankfurt	Red Star Belgrade	Leicester City	Rangers
	Lokomotiv Moscow	Genk	PSV Eindhoven	Ludogorets Razgrad
Pot 3	Marseille	AZ Alkmaar	West Ham United	Real Sociedad
	Real Betis	Fenerbahce	Malmo	Spartak Moscow
Pot 4	Sparta Prague	Rapid Vienna	CFR Cluj	Legia Warsaw
	Midtjylland	Galatasaray	Omonia Nicosia	Ferencvaros
	Conference League
Pot 1	Roma	Tottenham Hotspur	Villarreal	Basel
	Gent	Anderlecht	LASK Linz	Feyenoord
Pot 2	Maccabbi Tel Aviv	Qarabag	Steaua	PAOK Salonika
	AEK Athens	Rennes	Partizan Belgrade	Zorya Luhansk
Pot 3	Union Berlin	Sheriff Tirsapol	Antwerp	F91 Dudelange
	Pacos de Ferreira	Vitesse Arnhem	Sturm Graz	St. Johnstone
Pot 4	Randers	Bodo/Glimt	Shkendija	Kairat
	Neftci Baku	Mura	Shakytor Soligorsk	Slovan Bratislava

So last 16 of Conference League if everything went to seedings would be the Pot 1 Conference teams listed above against the Pot 3 Europa League teams listed above, as the 3rd ranked Europa League teams would all be rated higher than 2nd tier Conference league.
Means winning the group would be important to avoid extra 2 matches.

But it would start to get serious in last 16 with based on coefficeients

Roma, Tottenham, West Ham, Villarreal, Real Betis, Real Sociedad, Basel, Marseille, Feyenoord, AZ Alkmaar, Fenerbahce, Spartak Moscow, Malmo, Linz, Gent, Anderlecht

It will be nice to see some old friends ... Qarabag, Shkendija, Sheriff Tiraspol.
:dierpochhug:

 

[Coys1955]

Can we asked to be banned from Europe for one season instead of a fine?

 

[MikeTHFC]

Not sure if it's already been mentioned and by no means saying it's a great achievement to have qualified for this, however it may be more important in the long run than we think.

Teams get pretty much the same coefficient points for wins/draws in the conference league as the UCL and UEL. In 3 years there will be CL places up for grabs for teams outside the top 4 with high UEFA coefficients, or even seedings to think about in future group draws should we be in the competition. A season with zero returns would be pretty damaging as these count against you for 5 years.

As I said, not trying trying to justify it as a major achievement, but finishing above Woolwich, an opportunity for some of the youngsters next season, better in terms of revenue and coefficient points and a chance to watch Spurs play more often was the best of a bad set of outcomes on offer yesterday for me.

 

[AndriusTH]

It will be our 13th season in a row playing in Europe. Something that Spurs fans could only wished in late 90's. United and City are the only clubs that have more consecutive seasons in Europe, City actually is on the same page as we are.

Just remember that, it's still is an achievement.

 

[FOK]

Trophy looks nice.

the final would potentially be Hugo's last game. I'd like to see him lift it.

 

[YidZecke]

Not sure if it's already been mentioned and by no means saying it's a great achievement to have qualified for this, however it may be more important in the long run than we think.

Teams get pretty much the same coefficient points for wins/draws in the conference league as the UCL and UEL. In 3 years there will be CL places up for grabs for teams outside the top 4 with high UEFA coefficients, or even seedings to think about in future group draws should we be in the competition. A season with zero returns would be pretty damaging as these count against you for 5 years.

As I said, not trying trying to justify it as a major achievement, but finishing above Woolwich, an opportunity for some of the youngsters next season, better in terms of revenue and coefficient points and a chance to watch Spurs play more often was the best of a bad set of outcomes on offer yesterday for me.

Agree. Thinking long term its positive. Heck, I would like us to win it anyway. Any trophy is better than none - I mean who are we turning up our noses to any real trophy (not the Audi Cup) since we have not won anything for 12 years and running. At least this statistic would go back to 0 taking some pressure of. That's why I was also sad we did not win the league cup. But additionally to that we would all hope to be back in CL and there the points are needed for seeding but more than that also money is split in regards to a coefficient.