A lot of it is trolling from people who don't support England, despite the mainstream narrative.
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A lot of it is trolling from people who don't support England, despite the mainstream narrative.
Take it up with the Machester Police. Or is it you who only knows the truth.
"Meanwhile Greater Manchester Police called the defacing of the Rashford mural a 'racially aggravated' act of vandalism."
Crowds gather at mural of Marcus Rashford as it is cleaned
Crowds have gathered by the tribute on the wall of the Coffee House Cafe in Rashford's home town of Withington after it was restored by its original creator French-born artist Akse.
Police do that all the timeTake it up with the Machester Police. Or is it you who only knows the truth.
"Meanwhile Greater Manchester Police called the defacing of the Rashford mural a 'racially aggravated' act of vandalism."
Crowds gather at mural of Marcus Rashford as it is cleaned
Crowds have gathered by the tribute on the wall of the Coffee House Cafe in Rashford's home town of Withington after it was restored by its original creator French-born artist Akse.www.dailymail.co.uk
It's become quite evident evidence means precisely zero to you.
Police call it racist. They are lying.
Racist abuse on twitter. It's bots.
Says "black bastard" on the mural. You deny it.
It really is no surprise you attended far-right rallies.
There could be CCTV evidence of racial abuse and you'd say it's a deep fake.
As Harry Kane has said with no equivocation, your type aren't wanted. Listen, loud and clear.
I think we all know why it gets turned political by some people.
The first question you ask is "what would constitute a racist country" if you read what I said you would know the answer to that is every country because are all hard wired along tribal lines, we have in group preferences, we fear change, we fear those we construe to be outside our tribe.
This is all evolutionary its not something you can simply turn on and off like a tap. As we become multi-cultural the curve will naturally flatten given time. That's not to say that we shouldn't try and be better people and treat each other with dignity and respect, but I never said not to do that. I have always treated people based on the content of their character, long before I even knew who Dr King was. That was bred into me.
On your second point when you talk about the power resting with white people, how do you figure that? Didn't America have a black president recently?
Several members of the current Conservative government are people of colour, last I checked they are at the fore front of making the laws in this country.
So what do you mean the power is resting with white people? Give me an example.
Sounds to me like your talking more about class privilege which isn't much to do with race as the majority of white people don't benefit from that either.
You talk about "deconstructing our own supremacy" I understand this ideology and what you are talking about here is this notion of white privilege.
But simply dumping all white people under a banner and say that they are "privileged" is asinine. Did the serfs in Russia under the Tsars have privilege? Did the European peasants toiling the fields under Feudalism have privilege? In more recent times did the people risking life and limb in the coal mines or the children in Victorian work houses have privilege?
Do my people the Romany Gypsies have privilege? As we were being turned away everywhere they went as they crossed the continent? Do the jews have white privilege as they were forced to wear a star to denote them clearly from the Germans before being rounded up and exterminated?
Sorry but your racial theories are fucking nonsense basically.
No, because the reaction against a player that was racially abused at the time messages of hate was being scribed (and are being dealt with by the Police as an act of racism) about him has now been wholly supportive, has brought people out to show that they care and are behind him, that he's appreciated and loved. They've done this by showing nothing other than positive messages and love. A negative has been turned into a positive.
This is important because in order to have any chance of combatting racism first you have to empower those who are anti-racist, create an environment where a racist can't feel socially comfortable to be racist, like at a football stadium. That when racism is heard it can be confronted by ordinary people without them being in fear of being abused or intimidated themselves for doing so in return. The more socially acceptable it is to be anti-racist the less opportunity a racist has to be racist.
Meanwhile, all of your energy has gone into finding every possible angle to disrupt this. Why?
Why are you against people sending messages of support and love to Rashford? How does this interfere with your day? Why does this make you so angry that you've posted endlessly your disapproval? Have you sent any anti-racist sentiment be that verbal, written (via post, a liked tweet, a thumbs up, a liked post)?
What specifically makes this picture an "overreaction"?
Would you rather the boy was pictured holding a can of spray paint because within his social group (family, school friends, neighbours etc) he didn't know any better because this was how he's been brought up. Or isn't it wonderful that his parents are bringing him up that it's important to show love and support to someone after they've been abused?
what was it you said about flattery?
stealing the gif I used in the other thread....tut tut
I'm just waiting for someone on here to say 'what's wrong with being racist?'
Clearly what some of you think.
Clearly what some of you think.
I’m not surprised you feel “my” theories are nonsense when you can debunk them by highlighting a few black MPS in government – not sure if you are serious here or not? I replied directly to your post only because I was hoping we could further the discussion because I felt we might be able to have some common ground, as you claim to want to be better, but you’ve dismissed something in its entirety whilst giving examples that indicate you don’t understand it. Which begs the question, if you don’t fully understand the theory why take the time dismiss it?
Also, for what it is worth, Romany Gypsies have an awful time in the UK and I have taken part in work to address this – there is no way near enough coverage about the prejudice and rights removal that Romany Gypsies have faced. On that, I’m hoping, we can agree.
A gardener at works defence for using the term "muzzies" is that he's "being saying it since before you were born".
As if the longevity and consistency of his racism has earned him a right to it.
I totally agree with your sentiment about the Romany Gypsies and I thank you if you've been involved in trying to help.
I don't subscribe to your other racial ideas though but I am very familiar with critical race theory, white privilege and all the rest of it, I've read White fragility by Robin DiAngelo so I'm not ignorant or unarmed when it comes to any of these theories.
I do however maintain that they are largely nonsense.
But its not personal we just disagree on this point, you seem like a decent chap.
Can you give examples of police mislabelling "racist aggravated" acts. On what basis do you think the police are lying
What concerns me is the argument that it is a very small minority saying this , which it undoubtedly is. However the minority grows in size pretty quickly if you include , those that think that way but don’t vocalise it , those that try to defend people being racist with a bullshit arguments of freedom of speech, those that try and encompass other issues to deflect, finally those that are apathetic and are not really bothered by racism
Great post. Sorry you've had to have lived experiences of racism. It's not pleasant at all (to put it very mildly!).
I experiences racist abuse throughout my school years, which culminated in massive weight loss and many trips for counselling - experienced things from playground insults to physical violence, and even in adult years, experienced episodes such as a car driving past, some cunt yelling 'fucking paki' and lobbing a beer can at my head.
Racism is abhorrent, and must be stamped upon the moment it rears its ugly head, not brushed under the carpet or swept aside via mental gymnastics etc.
if you are not repulsed and disgusted by the treatment of these young men [ who are just a more public manifestation of many people’s daily experiences] then you are racist, it is an argument about how racist, not whether you are racist
i am a 60 year old reasonably comfortably off white man , I can only imagine how racism hurts and damages people , My kids are extremely fortunate and i have made damn sure they know it, it is everyone’s job to fight this evil
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When watching the shootout, the first thought I had was that Rashford, Sancho & Saka are all quite slightly built, wiry framed players, didn't look physically imposing unlike Donnarumma, Kane, Maguire for example.
The next thought I had was 'odd that 3 subs missed' when normally I think the fresher legs would be a benefit for a shootout.
The colour of their skin didn't cross my mind. There was always going to be abuse aimed at players missing pens so to initially see that racist messages had been sent on social media, given the history of these incidents, was unfortunately no surprise either.
Now the sport media I look at is dominated by this display of racism. I don't know how many people sent these kinds of messages.. a few? tens? hundreds? thousands? millions? I have literally no idea, but have seen screenshots confirming at least 5 people did it. So on the back of this, I did realise 'oh yeah, it was black players that missed the pens'. A thought I literally wouldn't have had if it weren't for the media. A thought I would rather not have had but feels forced upon me. I'm not sure this is the way to banish racism from the game or society. I fear the media storm will encourage that selection twats in future because it makes international headlines. These nobody tossers are being recognised and addressed.
The media domination feels to me like it's giving these racist commenters the attention they crave. A bit like when a pitch invader runs on.. In England we don't show them on TV, the cameras cut away. Other nations do show those images. The idea here being it will deter others because their mates wont see them on live TV.
I'm not convinced it's being handled better than if very little was said now, then 6 weeks~ later there was a news article confirming some strong court ordered punishments for online racist abuse for a variety of victims, including members of the England national team.
The next thought I had was 'odd that 3 subs missed' when normally I think the fresher legs would be a benefit for a shootout.
The colour of their skin didn't cross my mind. There was always going to be abuse aimed at players missing pens so to initially see that racist messages had been sent on social media, given the history of these incidents, was unfortunately no surprise either.
Now the sport media I look at is dominated by this display of racism. I don't know how many people sent these kinds of messages.. a few? tens? hundreds? thousands? millions? I have literally no idea, but have seen screenshots confirming at least 5 people did it. So on the back of this, I did realise 'oh yeah, it was black players that missed the pens'. A thought I literally wouldn't have had if it weren't for the media. A thought I would rather not have had but feels forced upon me. I'm not sure this is the way to banish racism from the game or society. I fear the media storm will encourage that selection twats in future because it makes international headlines. These nobody tossers are being recognised and addressed.
The media domination feels to me like it's giving these racist commenters the attention they crave. A bit like when a pitch invader runs on.. In England we don't show them on TV, the cameras cut away. Other nations do show those images. The idea here being it will deter others because their mates wont see them on live TV.
I'm not convinced it's being handled better than if very little was said now, then 6 weeks~ later there was a news article confirming some strong court ordered punishments for online racist abuse for a variety of victims, including members of the England national team.
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where is the evidence that this was not a racially motivated attack. Why are the police lying.? If you had proof you'd be straight down my throat. You haven't though, have you. You just lazily turned to conspiracy. "The police do it all the time" well here is your moment press the magic reveal button. Shine your light.The more pertinent question is why you wish to deny the racism that went on here?
If the police have called it "racially motivated." Why should I dispell this?
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I really admire your fortitude in continuing to debate with some of the people you are. Massive respect. Me I have zero inrest in wrestling vapors. Its so disingenuous.No, because the reaction against a player that was racially abused at the time messages of hate was being scribed (and are being dealt with by the Police as an act of racism) about him has now been wholly supportive, has brought people out to show that they care and are behind him, that he's appreciated and loved. They've done this by showing nothing other than positive messages and love. A negative has been turned into a positive.
This is important because in order to have any chance of combatting racism first you have to empower those who are anti-racist, create an environment where a racist can't feel socially comfortable to be racist, like at a football stadium. That when racism is heard it can be confronted by ordinary people without them being in fear of being abused or intimidated themselves for doing so in return. The more socially acceptable it is to be anti-racist the less opportunity a racist has to be racist.
Meanwhile, all of your energy has gone into finding every possible angle to disrupt this. Why?
Why are you against people sending messages of support and love to Rashford? How does this interfere with your day? Why does this make you so angry that you've posted endlessly your disapproval? Have you sent any anti-racist sentiment be that verbal, written (via post, a liked tweet, a thumbs up, a liked post)?
What specifically makes this picture an "overreaction"?
Would you rather the boy was pictured holding a can of spray paint because within his social group (family, school friends, neighbours etc) he didn't know any better because this was how he's been brought up. Or isn't it wonderful that his parents are bringing him up that it's important to show love and support to someone after they've been abused?
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