It doesn't.
But then again neither does racism affect me or millions of people in their everyday life.
Does that mean that we shouldn't speak out about it, make a stand against it, strive for change and acceptance for all?
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But then again neither does racism affect me or millions of people in their everyday life.
Does that mean that we shouldn't speak out about it, make a stand against it, strive for change and acceptance for all?
So why in your quest for justice are you not fighting for improved women's rights in Qatar? Or is that not as deserving? If you're not fighting for that too, shut up.
Well that's just what an Islamophobe would say tbf...
Maybe I missed the bit where you specifically addressed the subject I mentioned as much as you have your fight for gay rights, because it certainly isn't in the post you just quoted.
I speak out, change my behaviour but don't do 100% what I could. I still buy Chinese goods and have dealings with Qatar banks etc.
I feel comfortable with my stance and don't think it's all or nothing.
Fair enough
I wonder if we'll see a high profile player stand up and withdraw from the tournament? That would be a meaningful stance IMO - although it really would have to be a prominent player for it to have impact.
I've read up on the tournament a lot and at the moment and really unsure whether to watch it. Genuinely think there are some good thought provoking points being made in this thread.
I've read up on the tournament a lot and at the moment and really unsure whether to watch it. Genuinely think there are some good thought provoking points being made in this thread.
If you can't follow a simple conversation and are unable to understand the meaning of the word "all", then I can't help you.
Curious interpretation of pretty damning evidence.
For reference, two of our recent stadium builds - Wembley 1 death, guy not clipped in a fell down a shaft. Entire site was closed and 4000 workers sent home by HSE as they began an investigation. At Spurs new stadium, 0 deaths.
34 deaths in stadium construction is a patently false figure....and even that would be crazy high. What do you think the other 6465 migrants died of, old age?
Consider the size of Qatar, and the widely critiqued 'kafala' policy of involuntary servitude and the fact these stats are from the Qatari authorities themselves.....yeah no pal, think you're going up the wrong tree with this one.
Qatar should be condemned regardless of the WC. FIFA holding it there is one of the most unforgivable acts of corruption and disdain for human life in the modern era.
Probably not from the UK but could see from another country.
I'm not sure the majority of individual players carry such weight..... Messi, Ronaldo and very few others.
Even if a singular team dropped out, the casual audience likely wouldn't notice or think to seek out why.
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- makes a compelling point..... Perhaps making a visible protest at the tournament would prove more impactful.I can't pretend to know, but doing nothing doesn't sit well.
I understand completely. You're calling out the England team/FA (*delete as appropriate) for not being vocal about specific injustices in Qatar (for a tournament that's not happening for another 16 months) after they were vocal about racism during the Euros, calling them hypocrites.
You're also being very vocal about the laws against gay people in Qatar (and rightly so), but not referring to all of the injustices specifically, so by your own argument you're a hypocrite. All or nothing. Give us your condemnation of every injustice/atrocity in the world or you're a hypocrite for only speaking out in support of just one cause. It's the same principle you're applying to England, and it's you that's failing to understand your own argument, not me.
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We must have gay footballers who are out to players just not the public , I don’t buy for one second that no premier league footballer is gay , and I wonder how they feel about playing the World Cup in a country where them being themselves is illegal ? It’s shocking but as others have said that’s just the tip of the iceberg with Qatar where slaves died building the stadiums and women’s rights come second to men. It’s an absolute joke that it is even being held there , is it even a footballing nation?
I'm not sure the majority of individual players carry such weight..... Messi, Ronaldo and very few others.
Even if a singular team dropped out, the casual audience likely wouldn't notice or think to seek out why.
I can't pretend to know, but doing nothing doesn't sit well.
Yep agreed, a squad player from Norway won't make more than minor news sadly but imagine if Messi or Ronaldo did - it would be a seismic message. I imagine they have too much to lose from it though.
So that means that whenever someone highlights any injustice then they must mention every group that has been, or is being, discriminated against.
Fair enough, I'm a bit busy at the moment but leave it with me and I'll try and post a full, complete, and comprehensive list of all groups that are discriminated against.
After all the word "all" to encompass ALL groups that are being discriminated against just doesn't cut it.
Argentina WC was pretty inexcusable as was the Russian but at least they were footballing nations and that was something we could hide behind.
Qatar is a high water mark but not unique.
It stinks worse but its always stunk.
It’s good to know at least some footballers have morals, just been told by my ITK pal that winks has withdrawn from the 2022 World Cup as a protest ! Fair play Harry ,
If you took the time to read you would seen I was comparing thr laws in each country and how people follow the status quo of outrage.
Germany and Italy allows sex with 14 year olds. Yet that seems acceptable to you? Why isn't their international condemnation?
Whereas countries who ban homosexuality is universally condemned.
Why did nobody boycott Russia for its stance on homosexuals? Why did nobody boycott Brazil for its 'cleansing' of the slums of Rio. How many of the 19000 families died as a result of being forcefully evicted and the land being handed over to the wealthy to turn the area into a 'poverty theme park' for tourists.
It's double standards.