Sorry mate but it was ruined when Kane hobbled on to the field
It was a bad penalty call yes but we had 88 minutes to rectify it and never came close but we were playing with ten men
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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane
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It was a bad penalty call yes but we had 88 minutes to rectify it and never came close but we were playing with ten men
The fans were split; there was no huge majority.
You brought him up; no-one else......
I'm confused as to how people believe he fooled Pochettino.
Fitness tests post injury recovery will show you pretty accurately where a player is at. They don't just get you to run a bit on a treadmill. They'll put you through a battery of tests, including using kinetic machines which will test how strong your muscles are currently.
Then you're cleared, and you will take part in training games. You can't hide, the coaching staff will be able to see clearly if you are unfit here. There's no pretending or lying to the manager on these issues, you either pass the tests and then look fit in training, or you don't.
But you’ve agreed with posts that mock the notion he could be declared fit if he wasn’t, and then claimed he wasn’t fit
+Poch thought it would give the squad, club and fans an emotional boost by playing him.
I’ve seen many a key player with dodgy fitness status start finals. Coaches more often than not will pick them to start.
- Ravanelli for Middlesbrough in the 97 Fa cup Final
- Ronaldo (Brazil) 98 wc final
- C. Ronaldo euro 16 final
- Diego Costa 2014 CL final (he lasted 9 minutes!)
The Kane situation is so so overblown. Liverpool were the better team going in and showed it on the day.
Far more retrospective analysis should go into why we lost a semi final to Portsmouth in 2010. Now that needs unpacking.
There's a difference between fit for training and cleared medically, and fit to play a game like the CL final. The truth is, you won't really know for sure if you're sharp enough for that until the game itself. Both manager and player could have felt confident based on how he looked/felt, but then the game itself can be too much.
The notion which is silly is that he was only cleared as fit because he lied or tricked somebody.
The notion which is silly is that he was only cleared as fit because he lied or tricked somebody.
You should have an agenda.
We could have won the Champions League
People brushing off this game then crying over a shit PL match, Christ
So you’ve never seen a player be eased back into football after a ten week lay off?
Starting on the bench?
You think this was a game to test Kane’s fitness in?
It was to rail against the ridiculous notion that we “deserve” success. Any fan of any club in the world could say that crap.
Brushing off? I was devastated! It was years ago though, that's football.
I ordered a Chinese and as it arrived Sissoko gave away a pen. Couldn't eat the food, was too angry. Also struggled to sleep that night because I was too annoyed at how the game had gone. People cry at a PL game for a week or so then forget it.
Kane being crap in the final played a part, I'm just not willing to fully blame him, or accuse him of blagging his way in to the game. It's a team game and the manager had the final decision. We played and lost as a team, and I'm sure Harry was as devastated as anybody else.
But you should blame Kane more than Eriksen or Son because those players started the game in peak fitness where as Kane knowingly didn’t.
You can pretend he had no say in it all you want, you’re either very naive or brushing it off
It’s very easy to hide a niggling injury but giving Kane the benefit of the doubt and saying that he wasn’t actually injured but just not match fit would cover it
Poch took a gamble on Kane’s say so
It isn't. An injured player will have MRI scans before being cleared for recovery, and medical staff will be able to see clearly if it isn't fully healed, and whether the tendons are strong enough for him to play. At a medical centre itself they can just run ultrasound checks to get a basic idea of how the ankle will have looked.
Poch would have had plenty of time to assess Kane himself, he was in training for a while before the Liverpool game. If he was looking unfit in training sessions then he shouldn't have been picked. My suspicion is he looked good in training, but that didn't translate to the sharpness needed for a game like the CL final.
Kane categorically had no say in whether or not he was in the starting lineup. He is not a manager, or part of the coaching set-up at all. Him saying 'I want to play boss' doesn't give him any power to actually put himself in the team.
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What if his ankle had healed and he had picked up another injury, which often happens, and never said anything?
Whatever he clearly wasn’t match fit and was a passenger from the start which is on both him and Poch
Spirited defence I’ll give you that which hasn’t altered my opinion one iota
What if his ankle had healed and he had picked up another injury, which often happens, and never said anything?
Whatever he clearly wasn’t match fit and was a passenger from the start which is on both him and Poch
How do you know that he had no say in it?
Were you at the training ground listening?
As you watched that final better than me, what was your thoughts on Firmino’s performance and if Klopp’s decision to start him negatively impacted Liverpool?
So naive then. Better than brushing it off I suppose.
It wouldn’t give him any power under a manager like SAF or even Jose, but we had Poch, who is tactically inept