I wanted Ings, and the other one that we should have been all over is Daka.
Ings, Daka and Lingard together would have cost less than Jaden Sancho.
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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window
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Ings, Daka and Lingard together would have cost less than Jaden Sancho.
If United accept 15m in Jan we should definitely do the Lingard deal.
Airfixx
I don't think it's logical when he wasn't playing that role at all. West Ham needed a 10 so he played 10, otherwise he hasn't had games. And regardless of that, he's more productive than our 10 options as well .. so if you wanna swap out Lucas for Lo Celso, go ahead.Alli hasn't been in the England squad for years. Lingard's getting games instead of guys like Sancho or Foden on the wing, not Alli anymore. Lingard was out in the cold whilst he wasn't getting matches, but Southgate's always liked him.
Raphina and Jesus play RW for Brazil, I think. Which aren't better options than Sterling, Sancho, Foden etc. Facts are Lingard has shown form semi-recently which justified a call up, Lucas hasn't in years. Regardless of where each of them played, Lingard more than doubled Lucas' goal tally over the last 2 seasons in a 6 month period.
I think with HG status taken in to account, he's a decent upgrade, and especially useful as he can play 10 and RW, both of which we lack productive players in.
I'm not sure I understand this statement. He's traditionally been an box-to-box/CAM
Gio isn't a starter though. See post #1.... My point was very much JL = bench player for us.....
You're only conceding to that notion here.
Neither had Lingard (again see injury and personal problems) until he played in that friendly just before the euros... A game in which his inclusion was an anomaly cos all the United, City & Chav players that had actually made the euros squad were still on a break after the European club finals.
Since then he played against Andora >>> Foden was injured for that game and Sancho also played.
I think you're needlessly reaching on the England front; mostly because it's not that relevant anyway..... The Brazil/England thing is extremely tenuous as they're different positions and different pools of players to pick from.
Who would you prefer for Spurs? Raphina is considered hot shit by some on here..... (pure curiosity here; as above I don't see the particular relevance of the international element of this debate.)
See above re Fodon & Sancho...... You're citing Sterling now too? My friend; you're past the tipping point to bogus here now.
Rashford, Grealish, Sterling, Fodon, Sancho, Mount (have I missed anyone?) are all ahead of Lingard in the England pecking order... He's keeping NONE of them out of the squad; let alone the team. Even Greenwood got picked ahead of JL last season (only to fuck it up by getting himself in Gary's bad books during lockdown).
It absolutely matters though. Mosty because you're proposing we replace a RW with a box-to-box/CAM type player.
If the discussion embarked upon was merely who's scored more then there would have been no debate (from me at least) to start with.
I've already shown however that as far as RW/LW goes JL isn't any more productive.... As far as wing play goes you've yet to establish in what way JL is an upgrade on LM.
HG factor: acknowledged
Airfixx
The bottom line is I consider Lingard a better RW than Lucas and a better 10 than Ndombele or Lo Celso, based on recent seasons. Those 9 goals (wherever they come from) point to more potential for productivity than our other attacking options aside from Son or Kane.If you don't like the international angle, fine. I think the fact he at least gets call ups speaks volumes as to how he's rated outside of their respective clubs. He deserved a call up based on what he did when he got regular games. When Lucas gets regular games, he isn't productive at all. He's had opportunities.
And Lingard absolutely isn't a box to box. He's an attacking player who can play on either wing or behind the striker. That's absolutely comparable to another attacking player who can play behind the striker or on the wing. For England and United Lingard has played RW, he played 10 at West Ham because it's what they needed.
Let's just assume if Lingard's given a genuine run in the side at RW (Like Lucas has had, plenty) he isn't more productive. He's still a more productive 10 than we possess at the club, so still worth looking at. He offers depth in multiple positions, that would be a good signing if the price was somewhat reasonable.
You've not really established why though; but hey..... Let's not beat a dead horse any further.
Which indeed was my starting point...... No arguments with that(*).
(*Both my conversations with you &
Crockett
snowballed from the question who would you drop for Lingard.)
Lingard is very inconsistent. A shit as we've been, we're ahead of United in the league table, and they've had the option of Lingard at all times.
He's also too old, I think we need to buy promising players with a higher ceiling.
He's also too old, I think we need to buy promising players with a higher ceiling.
They used him .. he has a goal, it was superb. Sancho doesn't even start out wide for them and Fernandes plays 10, so Lingard not getting games isn't really damning for him. They have solid options in these positions, better than we do .. regardless of if we're ahead of them or not.
I'd agree with that, but sometimes a bit of PL experience is nice, and he's only 28. He wouldn't be my ideal signing or anything but my belief is he offers more to a squad than Lucas, Bergwijn, Dele, Lo Celso etc.
You've not really established why though; but hey..... Let's not beat a dead horse any further.
Which indeed was my starting point...... No arguments with that(*).
(*Both my conversations with you &
I have, the 9 goals 4 assists in 6 months last season. You think because he did that at 10 it's not relevant, which is fair. My own view is I've seen him play rw/10 equally well and even if we only exclusively play him 10 then that's fine. I'd kill for 9 goals 4 assists in 16 games from one of our 10's.
I think his price will go down the longer he's a squad option. Maybe he felt after his fantastic 6 months he had a shot, but if he's seeing it's the same old story he may try and force a move and accept a lower wage. Stranger things have happened.
What's odd to me is that Troy Parrott is on loan to the Dons and we're starting ECL matches with Dane Scarlett.
Is it just me or is that situation a little bizarre?
Is it just me or is that situation a little bizarre?
After what we've seen so far, recalling him in January if it's an option should happen 100%.
And loan out Scarlett for a couple of seasons.
RW/LW in EPL:
JL:
68P > 11G / 9A
LM:
61P > 6G / 4A
Guess you win!
def look at sarr as we need a rw and he also can play up front offering pace which is different to kanes play sort of like our aubamayang type.
not sure if gollini is the long term goal but regardless we need to think about that, henderson maybe
def need a cb too a pacier one like godfrey or militao
not sure if gollini is the long term goal but regardless we need to think about that, henderson maybe
def need a cb too a pacier one like godfrey or militao
Sarr is a dream signing of mine. Sadly I think when Watford inevitably go down, he's Liverpool bound .. they'll probably get rid of Minamino/Origi and bring him in. Don't think signing him in January is possible, till they know they're down Watford won't entertain selling.
Promising players with a high ceiling is how we ended up massively overpaying for Sessegnon and Clarke.
Agree with the strategy.
Alfie Devine turned 17 in August, about 2 months ago.
We signed Devine just over a year ago and whilst he counts as an u21 player in PL and domestic cups, under UEFA rules he needs to be at the club for 2 years to count as a List B (u21) player, otherwise he needs to be registered as a List A player.
So Devine will be eligible for UEFA squads next year, as he will have had 2 years at Spurs to qualify as a List B player. Spurs have the opportunity to rejuggle the uefa squad in January to include Devine, and personally I'd do that.