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Match Tottenham Hotspur vs Leeds United; Sunday 21st November 2021; 16.30
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Who would you suggest should have filled Skipp's spot?
You're forgiven. I suppose, being in South Africa, you may not have heard me last night.
I heard you loud and clear. Saw you too
I really hope it's just bad vibes by Mason
Really want Conte to succeed and flush the shitters out once and for all
I suggested Dier in my pre match line up on here, but Conte must prefer him as CB. I've got an inclination that Ndombelle isn't doing well with the Conte training regime.
I certainly think Conte listens to Mason but I don't think he picks Winks over Ndombelle if Ndombelle is responding well to training, just because Mason said so.
Over Winks?
Ndombele obviously should have played.
But instead of Wanks I would also have played Rodon, John, Scarlett, Markanday, Patkosi, the ball boy from a few seasons ago that helped get us that goal, the guy who mows the pitch a random fan from the stands, I think Andy Townsend was doing the commentating on my feed we could have put him in there then I wouldn’t have had to listen to his idiotic rambling so win-win and of course if nothing else works going with 10 men would be preferable to playing Harry Wanks.
I must admit I was shouting cunt at my computer screen when Winks took a free kick in the 1st half and passed it backwards. Been better off lobbing it into the Leeds box and hope if falls kindly for one of our strikers.
Anyone that thinks Ryan fucking Masons opinion matters to Conte needs to get a reality check. Mason is around to bring familiarity and off the pitch comfort to players.
PL and Serie A winning manager Conte is not going to take fucking lineup advice from Ryan Mason.
Winks played because we are short DM options and Ndombele is obviously not up to fitness for Conte levels. Conte has hinted at it in interviews “Ndombele needs to work harder than others”.
Dier is not a DM anymore and never will be. People need to stop looking back 3 years and see he is only a CB.
Onto the match, horrible first half but very promising second half. A lot of issues still but Conte’s comments about attitude after the match show promise. You could tell players were hesitant and scared at the start. Conte said he told them to be brave at half time and just attack, it definitely looked like that in the second half.
Faster pacing, more forward runs, more shooting. Everything pointed at us being aggressive and growing into the match. Hopefully now with more time training and no internationals, Conte gets the team looking like a real threat.
PL and Serie A winning manager Conte is not going to take fucking lineup advice from Ryan Mason.
Winks played because we are short DM options and Ndombele is obviously not up to fitness for Conte levels. Conte has hinted at it in interviews “Ndombele needs to work harder than others”.
Dier is not a DM anymore and never will be. People need to stop looking back 3 years and see he is only a CB.
Onto the match, horrible first half but very promising second half. A lot of issues still but Conte’s comments about attitude after the match show promise. You could tell players were hesitant and scared at the start. Conte said he told them to be brave at half time and just attack, it definitely looked like that in the second half.
Faster pacing, more forward runs, more shooting. Everything pointed at us being aggressive and growing into the match. Hopefully now with more time training and no internationals, Conte gets the team looking like a real threat.
Not been working today so done a fair bit of reading and rewatched the game.
Something struck me about how we looked positionally, I couldn't work out where I saw it before then it dawned on me, Gasperini's Atalanta!!
Why? look how deep both PEH and Winks played
The same in the improved 2nd half
And for the muppet in the Dier thread see above and how influential Dier was in bring the ball out as a result of our double pivot dropping deep (with Leeds going man for man it left Dier free), this was where Dier was playing many vertical line-breaking balls to the feet of our front three (mostly Kane and Lucas).
I think we missed Romero here more than anything as him coming out of defence is his biggest strength, it adds a body in Midfield.
Take a look here at Atalanta for comparison, it's the fucking same!!
Something struck me about how we looked positionally, I couldn't work out where I saw it before then it dawned on me, Gasperini's Atalanta!!
Why? look how deep both PEH and Winks played
The same in the improved 2nd half
And for the muppet in the Dier thread see above and how influential Dier was in bring the ball out as a result of our double pivot dropping deep (with Leeds going man for man it left Dier free), this was where Dier was playing many vertical line-breaking balls to the feet of our front three (mostly Kane and Lucas).
I think we missed Romero here more than anything as him coming out of defence is his biggest strength, it adds a body in Midfield.
Take a look here at Atalanta for comparison, it's the fucking same!!
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Or perhaps Conte is spot on in his assessment of N'Dombele, and actually it's Igula who isn't quite the manager that he inexplicably seems to think he is...
Its not his assessment of Ndombele that concerns it is his choice of Winks that is the issue. And we saw on Sunday that Winks played horribly and was not the right choice at all.
But of course his assessment of N'Dombele must be relevant, as for most people he was the other most obvious option. Obviously not many people on here want Winks in the first 11, most (including me) don't even want him in the 18 most of the time, but presumably in Conte's view he was the best option (perhaps 'lesser of the various evils' if you prefer) available. If you seriously think that Conte isn't keen on Winks but selected him because Mason told him to, then that's just comical, and if you're concerned about Conte because he gave Winks a chance over others who also continue to disappoint, then fine, you carry on being concerned, the rest of us will enjoy having one of the best managers in the world, and recognise that occasionally he will see things differently to the rest of us.
Not been working today so done a fair bit of reading and rewatched the game.
Something struck me about how we looked positionally, I could work out where I saw it before then it dawned on me, Gasperini's Atalanta!!
Why look how deep both PEH and Winks played
The same in the improved 2nd half
And for the muppet in the Dier thread see above and how influential Dier was in bring the ball out as a result of our double pivot dropping deep (with Leeds going man for man it left Dier free), this was where Dier was playing many vertical line-breaking balls to the feet of our front three (mostly Kane and Lucas).
I think we missed Romero here more than anything as him coming out of defence is his biggest strength, it adds a body in Midfield.
Take a look here at Atalanta for comparison, it's the fucking same!!
Great analysis. Dier driving into the open spaces really helped push the ball up the pitch.
What did you make of Son and Lucas movements? It looked like they took turns coming to the center to receive the ball when Kane was not there.
Once they received it that is where we looked lost. Son or Lucas would either make dribbles up the pitch or pass it backward most of the time.
I don't think that he chose him because of Mason that is not the only other option. Conte can be a great manager and also make mistakes.
I am concerned that if Conte thinks that Winks should start he is not the great manager that many here think he is. Everyone loses it at some point so his choice of Winks is a concerning action by him. It could be a one time blip or it could be a sign that he is not great like he used to be.
Not been working today so done a fair bit of reading and rewatched the game.
Something struck me about how we looked positionally, I could work out where I saw it before then it dawned on me, Gasperini's Atalanta!!
Why look how deep both PEH and Winks played
The same in the improved 2nd half
And for the muppet in the Dier thread see above and how influential Dier was in bring the ball out as a result of our double pivot dropping deep (with Leeds going man for man it left Dier free), this was where Dier was playing many vertical line-breaking balls to the feet of our front three (mostly Kane and Lucas).
I think we missed Romero here more than anything as him coming out of defence is his biggest strength, it adds a body in Midfield.
Take a look here at Atalanta for comparison, it's the fucking same!!
Very interesting. Definitely further confirms my thought that our lack of ball playing defenders is going to be a problem for Conte.
With Romero back, if we can get him on the ball in those positions then should be a beautiful thing. But what stood out was how Davies has continued to be the CB that overlaps the most, this is where Tanganga really disappoints, he's an out and out defender (great competitor) but offensively is not been that good but none the less this is where also Dier impressed yesterday because I thought more than any player on the pitch looked the most keyed into what Conte was asking of each player for their role and was executing it throughout the 90mins.
Yeah, the front 3 were frustrating all game for me, including 2nd half but their natural ability was the difference between the two sides (we created bigger better chances than Leeds, despite Leeds being by far the better side in the first half and deservedly took the lead yet they actually didn't create a lot even in the 1st half).
It's still hard to work out what Conte is asking them to do, the only person naturally suited to Conte is Kane as both Lucas and Son are both more instinctive players rather than formulaic, this is especially so with Lucas, who's beautifully suited to chaos, I think his work in the box to lay the ball back to PEH for the goal (and even Ajax semi) are good examples. Conte would love his pressures though, one of the best in the team. I would say that the dribbles happened because they couldn't lay the ball off the first time (the only reason I say this is if you look back at Conte's teams for guidance they pass fluidly and very quickly, other than Hazard he hasn't relied on a dribbler(??), need to look at how worked on Hazard to see if there are any similarities that he could work with Son and Lucas on).
Don't think that's an issue, with Dier as seen yesterday but although we desperately missed Romero 100% and Tanganaga I think is way off on the ball (a great competitor off the ball is where his strengths are), Davies is hard to rate right now in execution he's carrying out his role but feel he's just not very good too. But things start to look better for everyone once things click, I fear that this will take longer than usual for Conte because he hasn't got a preseason.
The biggest issue is what's happening further up the pitch and getting the ball out wide to bring the WB's into play. At the moment our movement is quite basic (which is understandable given the time Conte's had) which means the oppo can prepare easily to stop our passing lanes and press x, y or z to stop us from building. It also means when this happens we don't have the solutions to combat this, it's kind of left to Conte to change something (as he did yesterday).
Romero is up for it, Dier a tad erratic on the ball for me but passable, not sure where Tanganga fits in with Conte, and I think Davies is best as a back up utility player.
Still think we could use a CB with a real wand of a foot like prime Toby, it’s such an asset to be able to get up the pitch quickly and keeps the opposing defense on their toes. Conte loves a player like that, he basically invented Bonucci as the player he is today. Also think we could desperately use a left footed centerback.
For me, I’m begging for us to sign Pau Torres. Absolute gem of a left foot in both short and long passing, carries the ball so well out of the back, I think he’d be perfect playing the more attacking almost overlapping centerback that Bastoni played excellently for Inter Milan, and Davies is doing very adequately so far.