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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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Igula said:
Can't accept what realities? I have said we should sell both Lo Celso and Ndombele.

There are very few times that one of Ndombele or GLC have both been unavailable. In those cases PEH starting is fine. That should be his role playing when the better players are not available.
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Yet you obsess about PEH flaws and up till very recently you would x anyone who said Locelso saw a poor footballer and should be sold. Its good you can change your mind( no point having one if you can't do this) prehaps praise the Dane for his durability and dedication. I say this as a bloke who said from last season that I wanted him and Skipp competing for the same spot.
 
Igula said:
It makes very little sense from either side.

Why would Lo Celso want to go back to Betis? I understand him wanting to leave the PL but to a bigger club than Betis.

Why would we want to loan him out, that makes no sense at all.
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It makes perfect sense, this league is too demanding on him and he can’t hack it. So he wants to step down to a lower level that suits his lesser talent and frail body. Simple. Nowhere near good enough to play for a better club than Tottenham.

If Conte wants the player out and Gio also wants to go, then he has to go out. If it starts with a loan then so be it. Who would pay money for a player who is never fit? He never does anything when he does play anyway.
 
Clubs know we need to get players out before we buy, we need to free up spots in the squad
the problem we have is the club trained players we want out its how we replace HG players
so I'm not sure Dele will go out this window
Think Conte will want to keep Winks (not as a DM but as an AM)
 
Château NoHo said:
Sissoko-Winks was our midfield throughout our 19/20 CL run...

Discuss amongst yourselves...
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Pathfinder said:
I remember how much flak Dembele used to get from a certain section of the fans though. There were many who complained that he, 1) did not score enough, 2) did not create enough chances, 3) was a poor forward passer.
Quite a few fans don't seem to understand that the task for a DM is not to be the offensive spark but allow those players who've got the talents the freedom to express themselves and support them.
It's a little bit the same regarding Højbjerg (no, he's not close to Dembele, so that's not the point): he's a DM whose task is to support attacking players... NOT to be that attacking flair player, simply because he isn't that kind of player. N'Golo Kanté is a top class DM but you'll hardly seem him have much direct influence on the offensive.
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Yes but Kante can pass and has got pace. And doesn’t give away useless free kicks like PEH
 
Airfixx said:
More Doherty gymnastics......

Originally you claimed that we paid approaching 30m for PEH and you're still insinuating as much.

PEH himself cost 15m.... You demanded links.... You got them.

Take the 'L' and walk away, Blakey.
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And TheSpurEst
I was wrong to say 30m. I thought originally (when I said it) it was 15m + KWP/Doherty. But it's equally daft to claim he cost us 3m. He didn't.

And Airfixx Airfixx - in answer to your question, what did I expect for 15m. Pretty much what we got. An unremarkable midfielder with some pretty big fundamental flaws. A player who is neither a great 6, which might have enabled players like Ndombele/Lo Celso to profit or a good 8. In short I think as footballer, without the ball he's a little bit better than Winks, with the ball no better at all. Obviously he's better all round than Sissoko, but I don't know a CM in any of Europe's top 6 or 7 leagues that isn't. And it also forced us to swap a HG RB who was better than than non HG shit one we paid 16m for.

It was just another piece of bad business all round to add to the abundance of bad business we'd done.

It's easy with hindsight to criticise the value aspect of Ndombele and Lo Celso, but I've actually got less issue with those deals - as/when we did them - because they at least came with some huge potential to be massive upgrades and advance us as a team. Which was exactly what we needed. Not more humdrum.
 
StripiestPilot said:
It makes perfect sense, this league is too demanding on him and he can’t hack it. So he wants to step down to a lower level that suits his lesser talent and frail body. Simple. Nowhere near good enough to play for a better club than Tottenham.

If Conte wants the player out and Gio also wants to go, then he has to go out. If it starts with a loan then so be it. Who would pay money for a player who is never fit? He never does anything when he does play anyway.
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Lower level my arse. Betis play better football than we do, and have for most of the last three or four years.

We're getting outplayed by much shitter teams than Betis in the Europa.
 
Airfixx said:
Igula Igula still thinks Bentley & Dos Santos will come good. 🤡
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To be honest, as crazy as this sounds, I still had some feint hopes that both Ndombele and LoCelso might have a slim chance of coming good under Conte, but only if he switches to a 3 man midfield 352 and uses them as 8's off a right busy cunt. There's form for this with Conte. everyone wrote Eriksen off last year, but he managed to integrate him and win the league. The system he played at Inter worked well, he also got the best out of Pogba at Juve - who many think is a lazy feckless wanker. Fabregas at Chelsea.

But if he wants to continue playing CM2's in a 343 then I just don't see it happening - even if there's any realistic chance at all left anyway (which I accept there might not be - maybe all parties - club, coach and players have all decided to move on). In which case fair fucks. but in a CM2/343 neither will really fit or thrive so it would become moot.
 
bus-conductor said:
To be honest, as crazy as this sounds, I still had some feint hopes that both Ndombele and LoCelso might have a slim chance of coming good under Conte, but only if he switches to a 3 man midfield 352 and uses them as 8's off a right busy cunt. There's form for this with Conte. everyone wrote Eriksen off last year, but he managed to integrate him and win the league. The system he played at Inter worked well, he also got the best out of Pogba at Juve - who many think is a lazy feckless wanker. Fabregas at Chelsea.

But if he wants to continue playing CM2's in a 343 then I just don't see it happening - even if there's any realistic chance at all left anyway (which I accept there might not be - maybe all parties - club, coach and players have all decided to move on). In which case fair fucks. but in a CM2/343 neither will really fit or thrive so it would become moot.
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Interesting BC. Hadn't really put any thought into anything Conte's doing and since we haven't played in the last 4 years it seems I haven't had much opportunity. But do you think he's staying 343 because of Harry's 'mobility'? You know, giving him 2 pair of legs and, presumably, more threat than Harry and 1 pair of legs alone.
 
todd1882 said:
Interesting BC. Hadn't really put any thought into anything Conte's doing and since we haven't played in the last 4 years it seems I haven't had much opportunity. But do you think he's staying 343 because of Harry's 'mobility'? You know, giving him 2 pair of legs and, presumably, more threat than Harry and 1 pair of legs alone.
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That, & I doubt he's impressed by Ndombele, ditto Lo Celso who also happens to be made of breadsticks, Dele is crap and we don't have much attacking threat from RWB. Therefore Lucas is the most dependable option to plan around.
 
Peh signed for £15m.

They spend £12m on KWP.

As for Insigne, his euros were not great but he’s had a good career and at least gets a good goal return and can produce something out of nothing. He’s better than all our wide attackers apart from Son. Biggest concern for me would be adapting to this league at his age but I have no doubt he’d be better than Bergwijn, currently than Gil and in all likelihood, Lucas.
 
bus-conductor said:
There's form for this with Conte. everyone wrote Eriksen off last year, but he managed to integrate him and win the league. The system he played at Inter worked well, he also got the best out of Pogba at Juve - who many think is a lazy feckless wanker. Fabregas at Chelsea.
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Thing is, Eriksen and Fabregas were both amongst the best, and most dedicated, playmakers of their generation. At his best Fabregas was second only to the Barcelona midfielder he joined, and Eriksen for 3/4 years was a sensational player at the highest level. And part of reaching those heights is being able to process and apply what a manager asks of you.


There’s nothing to suggest that these two are capable of that. Both are players that I’m sure are better than we’ve seen, but in their mid twenties they’re miles behind where Fabregas and Eriksen were by the time they were 21. So I fully understand why Conte would be reticent to adapt his preferred system to them, particularly in the case of Ndombele.
 
Igula said:
Ndombele and GLC should always start ahead of him. especially if Skipp is already starting as well.
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Who removed the 'Funny' button ?

I'd love to have more creativity in the team. But 5 managers in turn have shown in team selections that Ndombele runs out of gas way before the 90- minute mark - its worth counting the number of times he's played 90 minutes since he joined Spurs. Go on guess if its more or less than 25 PL games he completed 90 minutes since joining.

You might want to look at Lo Celso's goal/assist ratio and compare it to Hojbjerg since both joined. Sadly it showed the DM has scored and assisted more than Lo Celso ................
 
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