It doesn't matter, when it will be blacked out on the media.
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Supporters The Y Word
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It doesn't matter, when it will be blacked out on the media.
With reference to
Guido 🇺🇦
's suggestion to simply replace the word with Jew. I personally would feel less comfortable with this than using the word itself. My reasoning is that I'm not a Jew, so why would I be singing that the thing I like most is BEING a Jew.
I AM a Spurs fan. And a fucking proud one too. Couldn't care less who knows. I WANT people to know.
And to me, that's exactly what I am expressing with that word. I will openly admit that I had a very sheltered life through childhood and adolescence, and rather embarrasingly never knew or researched the origins of the word. Therefore to me, I have always only ever used it as an expression of my sense of belonging to the supporter base of THFC. We are the Yid Army, Jewish or not.
Having said all that, I agree with what seems a decent percentage on here. The final say has to come from the match going Jewish Spurs fans. That's my opinion. Even then, it appears we won't necessarily stop it's use voluntarily. Because it seems we would still have Jewish fans who want to carry on using it. So what are we going to do about that. Are we also going to ban every music artist of colour from using the N word? In my eyes, that's an absolute equivolence. You really, REALLY can't expect one group of people to stop using what is deemed a derogatory term about themselves without expecting the same from other aspects of society.
This is an issue which doesn't have a right and wrong answer. But personally I'd like to be led by those who are affected by it, and would I would gladly give it up if a majority of that segment of the fanbase wanted it gone.
Guido 🇺🇦
's suggestion to simply replace the word with Jew. I personally would feel less comfortable with this than using the word itself. My reasoning is that I'm not a Jew, so why would I be singing that the thing I like most is BEING a Jew.I AM a Spurs fan. And a fucking proud one too. Couldn't care less who knows. I WANT people to know.
And to me, that's exactly what I am expressing with that word. I will openly admit that I had a very sheltered life through childhood and adolescence, and rather embarrasingly never knew or researched the origins of the word. Therefore to me, I have always only ever used it as an expression of my sense of belonging to the supporter base of THFC. We are the Yid Army, Jewish or not.
Having said all that, I agree with what seems a decent percentage on here. The final say has to come from the match going Jewish Spurs fans. That's my opinion. Even then, it appears we won't necessarily stop it's use voluntarily. Because it seems we would still have Jewish fans who want to carry on using it. So what are we going to do about that. Are we also going to ban every music artist of colour from using the N word? In my eyes, that's an absolute equivolence. You really, REALLY can't expect one group of people to stop using what is deemed a derogatory term about themselves without expecting the same from other aspects of society.
This is an issue which doesn't have a right and wrong answer. But personally I'd like to be led by those who are affected by it, and would I would gladly give it up if a majority of that segment of the fanbase wanted it gone.
It was very obvious what the outcome would be.
Welome to the 21st Century, where context doesn't matter.
We use the term Yid as a term of endearment. It's used to embrace, support and defend the subjects of genuine racist abuse from other certain London clubs. Whether that be nazi salutes, singing anti-semitic songs or hissing to mimic the sound of a fucking gas chamber.
But yeah, sure. Make people stop people demonstrating genuine human kindness. What a time to be alive.
We use the term Yid as a term of endearment. It's used to embrace, support and defend the subjects of genuine racist abuse from other certain London clubs. Whether that be nazi salutes, singing anti-semitic songs or hissing to mimic the sound of a fucking gas chamber.
But yeah, sure. Make people stop people demonstrating genuine human kindness. What a time to be alive.
With reference to
I AM a Spurs fan. And a fucking proud one too. Couldn't care less who knows. I WANT people to know.
And to me, that's exactly what I am expressing with that word. I will openly admit that I had a very sheltered life through childhood and adolescence, and rather embarrasingly never knew or researched the origins of the word. Therefore to me, I have always only ever used it as an expression of my sense of belonging to the supporter base of THFC. We are the Yid Army, Jewish or not.
Having said all that, I agree with what seems a decent percentage on here. The final say has to come from the match going Jewish Spurs fans.
Likewise; but unfortunately that's not what's going to happen.... At best it'll be be based upon the feelings of the wider Jewish community; the majority of which won't have (or care to gain) insight into the context of us using the word.... (....And that's discounting utter shit-houses like Badiel.)
The difference here, which leave's us open to external criticism though is that, as non-Jewish fans, it's not you or I's word to 'claim'.... As a non-racist, I wouldn't dream of trying to 'claim' the N-word to re-purpose it in a similar way.
Of course, our re-purposing of "yids" as Spurs fans comes from a positive place, but it's a more complicated issue than that.
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No indeed that's not equivalent. But I was specifically commenting on criminalising Jewish fans who want to carry on using the term, and comparing them to other portions of society who appear to commit exactly the same crime.
As I said, if the consensus from Jewish match going fans is that we stop using it, then that's fine with me.
I find it a little uncomfortable some people say they would struggle to enjoy going to the game if they couldn't use the word.
Whilst I'm not suggesting it's on a par with the N word, could you imagine someone suggesting it would ruin the game of football if they couldn't go and sing that?
Whilst I'm not suggesting it's on a par with the N word, could you imagine someone suggesting it would ruin the game of football if they couldn't go and sing that?
Not meaning to be flippant, but what would happen if the fanbase in general took on a new word that doesn't offend anyone, and used that instead? For example, 'YIT'. I don't know what it means yet, I don't have to, it's just a nickname I call my club and fellow fans, the 'YIT ARMY'. We could even create a meaning for it - perhaps it could be an acronym for something. We could have merchandise clearly showing 'YIT' (not YID). Then we could all sing 'YIT ARMY' to our hearts' content. Would that be allowed?
It really is a sad state of affairs
Thank goodness for you. I thought it was only me. That words absence won't stop the pain of last night for me and I'm slightly baffled by some folks level of attachment to it.....
I finished that survey, and told them clearly and politely what I thought - for example that the meaning of words changes according to context, and that people being offended by words because they fail to understand the context is unfortunate, but can't practically become a way to run society or no one will be able to say anything.
I gave the (albeit somewhat flippant) example on an earlier page (not in the survey obviously!) - if my dad suffered so badly from claustrophobia that it caused him to take his own life, could I go to Anfield and insist that "You'll Never Walk Alone" is banned because it offends me, irrespective of the context in which it is being sung? Why is it different? Is there a minimum number of people that (allegedly) need to be impacted / offended before it 'matters'? What is that number?
And btw this isn't just about 'that word', it's about a cultural shift in everything we are allowed to do and say. Personally I fear for the future of the world, and am so damn thankful that I don't (and won't ever) have any kids.
That comment sums up perfectly the lack of bonding the club now has with faithful fans. It really is quite sad that people like yourself are made to feel this way. I know we can’t live in the past but looking back I think fans were appreciated and respected much better in days gone by. As you say , it really is a crying shame
I fear for the world because of the climate catastrophe, AI, pandemics, and extinction level meteor strikes. Not so much because use of certain words now offend some folk. It's a bit sad but I think it's all a bit over blown. Sick of its use being made a weapon to batter our club by tools like Baddiel.I finished that survey, and told them clearly and politely what I thought - for example that the meaning of words changes according to context, and that people being offended by words because they fail to understand the context is unfortunate, but can't practically become a way to run society or no one will be able to say anything.
I gave the (albeit somewhat flippant) example on an earlier page (not in the survey obviously!) - if my dad suffered so badly from claustrophobia that it caused him to take his own life, could I go to Anfield and insist that "You'll Never Walk Alone" is banned because it offends me, irrespective of the context in which it is being sung? Why is it different? Is there a minimum number of people that (allegedly) need to be impacted / offended before it 'matters'? What is that number?
And btw this isn't just about 'that word', it's about a cultural shift in everything we are allowed to do and say. Personally I fear for the future of the world, and am so damn thankful that I don't (and won't ever) have any kids.
Has been for quite a while now
You or anyone else is kidding themselves if they think that's simply Spurs employing some kind of woke agenda/attitude against our fans though.....
Trying to sidestep any potential anti-woke bickering...... It's corporate fear; you think most of these large companies would give a fuck if they weren't obliged to; so long as the coin kept rolling in?
That's not Spurs; that's just capitalism.
Look at the whole WH/Zouma shit-storm.... Seemingly GSB don't give a shit and look how that's subsequently biting them on the ass.
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God this thread is depressing.
Let's just change the word Yid to Boob and forget any semblence of club/fan identity
Being a boob
Being a boob
The thing I love most is being a boob
Let's just change the word Yid to Boob and forget any semblence of club/fan identity
Being a boob
Being a boob
The thing I love most is being a boob