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Management Levy / €NIC. In or Out

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Levy / ENIC. In or Out

  • Levy / ENIC. We want you to stay

  • Levy / ENIC. Get out of our club

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Raumdeuterz said:
The last time we 'challenged' (finished 7 points behind the leaders) for a title was 16/17. Pretty long time ago in the world of football.

We've gone backwards since (got to a CL final but it was more a miraculous run than a great team) so where's the progress? The football has steadily declined and hasn't been watchable since before Pochettino's final season.

We've spent a bit of money but badly. And with no clear indication of a plan. We're staring down another transitional period next season because Conte isn't sticking around if we're being honest. Our dynamic duo up front is 30+, declining and one isn't signing a contract.

Improvement? Not since Poch..
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I’m struggling to keep up now. Poch was a long time ago, but fuck ENIC because of one trophy in 20 years. And fuck them again for not backing Poch. Which was a long time ago.

I feel I’m in danger of being twatted by a number of moving goalposts here.

Admittedly, the football has been shite for years now. But I can see what the club are trying to do. We can’t shop at the highest player level, so need to go below that and employ a strong manager to improve those players. Just hasn’t worked for numerous reasons, mainly crap scouting.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Well since the forum is now 85% ENIC OUT I'd say the ratio of insults to posters is much better.
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AberdeenYid said:
I’m struggling to keep up now. Poch was a long time ago, but fuck ENIC because of one trophy in 20 years. And fuck them again for not backing Poch. Which was a long time ago.

I feel I’m in danger of being twatted by a number of moving goalposts here.

Admittedly, the football has been shite for years now. But I can see what the club are trying to do. We can’t shop at the highest player level, so need to go below that and employ a strong manager to improve those players. Just hasn’t worked for numerous reasons, mainly crap scouting.
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Probably because you're discussing an issue with a number of people who have different views.

Poch was quite a long time ago. 20 years ago was even longer, a lifetime in terms of football. Lots of kids growing up just view us as the club who don't win anything because of it.

Ok, that's where we differ. I don't see a plan at all. Nor do a lot of fans. I don't think going for big name managers who the elite clubs no longer want is a good plan. Especially when we have to sack them or they walk out within two years.
 
The culture of the club is all wrong in order to be a successful team that competes for major trophies.

And that comes from the owners. Culture will only change if the owners go. That’s the only way we will rid ourselves of being called spursy!

Enic out. Lovely stadium… shame we don’t have the squad to get the best out of it.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Probably because you're discussing an issue with a number of people who have different views.

Poch was quite a long time ago. 20 years ago was even longer, a lifetime in terms of football. Lots of kids growing up just view us as the club who don't win anything because of it.

Ok, that's where we differ. I don't see a plan at all. Nor do a lot of fans. I don't think going for big name managers who the elite clubs no longer want is a good plan. Especially when we have to sack them or they walk out within two years.
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Fair point. You have to admit that the one trophy in twenty years, whilst a very poor record, is the big stick to beat the board with.

And aye, lots of fans don’t see a plan. I know a lot who do. But the constant change of managers is a massive flaw in what we are trying to do. I’m very clear this is my main gripe with Levy. He should have the balls to stand by his hiring decisions more.
 
Essexyido94 said:
The culture of the club is all wrong in order to be a successful team that competes for major trophies.

And that comes from the owners. Culture will only change if the owners go. That’s the only way we will rid ourselves of being called spursy!

Enic out. Lovely stadium… shame we don’t have the squad to get the best out of it.
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maybe on a finance level enic have not been as bad as some think? it needs more transparency with the finances. in the last 5 years weve built a billion pound stadium and spent almost half a billion on transfers...thats not exactly small change. but they have clearly got a lot of judgements wrong over the 20 years.

while we have been majorly fucked by the sports washers, as have liverpool and the scum. we should still have done a lot better, this is down to levy getting too many judgements wrong. not just the hiring of staff but not investing money at crucial points. the money theyve spent might be in line with what the club has generated over the course of time? for a sustainable business model that is.


i do think the club has been majorly unlucky. but over 20 years thats not just bad luck, thats poor judgement too. you can overcome bad luck in 20 years

one thing for sure is the club is an organic football giant, in this country its one of the big 4. if the sportswashers wasnt involved we would of most probably been top dogs at some point in the last 20 years. youre not 10th in revenue off the back of what weve done on the pitch in the last 20 years if youre not an organic giant! 3 of the teams above us are the subject of sports washing...
 
Essexyido94 said:
The culture of the club is all wrong in order to be a successful team that competes for major trophies.

And that comes from the owners. Culture will only change if the owners go. That’s the only way we will rid ourselves of being called spursy!

Enic out. Lovely stadium… shame we don’t have the squad to get the best out of it.
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Not being a prick here; but what specifically is wrong with the “culture” of the club?

Staff structure?
Wrong staff?
Wrong players?
Not spending enough?
Not prioritizing the cups?
Playing defensive football?

All I see is why don’t have a good record in the transfer market. But have tried to improve that with our DoF. What exactly do you think needs changed?
 
Cranston said:
Voted out.

Recognise all the improvements ENIC have made, although I wince when people frame it as some sort of altruism; ENIC will make billions.

It’s time for them to go. All the energy of the business was directed towards creating the stadium and polishing the asset. Football has always been an incidental for them.

I want owners that recognise the cyclical nature of a team and know when to push for silverware and when, in contrast, to rebuild.

ENIC feels like purgatory.
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This is the mindset that I'm leaning towards now, though I'm not fully there yet.

My worry is that ENIC do sell, but the buyer is even worse, along the lines that I've previously posted.

I'd agree that change is needed, I just worry that the change would make the situation worse.
 
Ionman34 said:
This is the mindset that I'm leaning towards now, though I'm not fully there yet.

My worry is that ENIC do sell, but the buyer is even worse, along the lines that I've previously posted.

I'd agree that change is needed, I just worry that the change would make the situation worse.
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The buyer is ENIC choice though but yeh I agree we could get a Glazer and it be worse. I would be happy with just an owner who understand football by which I mean the game of it and not just the commercial side.

An owner who brings in someone elite like Campos or Rangnick as DoF and let’s them design the strategy with clear goals. I was hoping for that with Paratici but not clear yet if he can do it or if he has the mandate to do it.

Our vision on the pitch is the issue far more than the money. Our vision seems to be no vision, all short term tactical moves, that doesn’t work in modern football.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Fair point. You have to admit that the one trophy in twenty years, whilst a very poor record, is the big stick to beat the board with.

And aye, lots of fans don’t see a plan. I know a lot who do. But the constant change of managers is a massive flaw in what we are trying to do. I’m very clear this is my main gripe with Levy. He should have the balls to stand by his hiring decisions more.
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We need stability & the likes of Jose/Conte won't give it to us. Especially the latter, I've never really felt he's fully committed to the club at any point. It's always felt that he came here due to the Paratici connection and because he's burned his bridges elsewhere.

I'm not even sure it'll be up to Levy whether he stays. If we don't get top 4 he'll just walk I think.
 
docomospur said:
I think the hope was that with Paratici and then Conte being appointed, Levy would take a step back and support their pursuit of a more coherent footballing strategy. And it's not that we haven't spent, as I'm sure many of us (myself included) were actually quite excited about our acquisitions last summer.

However, some of players we've brought in haven't met our expectations, even if it's down to injury and tactics, and this has got to be down to Conte as manager (I'm not ready yet to label Bissouma as a bust). To add to that, the remaining deficiencies in the squad are still so glaring to all of us, and Levy and Paratici in my view, have this January window to show us all some ambition even if players don't come cheap now.
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Just to draw a parallel, with respect to Bissouma, we were all laughing at the filth over their first season with Odegaard. Now he's playing like the player that RM expected him to be.

Sometimes it takes a season for a player, in a new side, to hit their straps.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Fair point. You have to admit that the one trophy in twenty years, whilst a very poor record, is the big stick to beat the board with.

And aye, lots of fans don’t see a plan. I know a lot who do. But the constant change of managers is a massive flaw in what we are trying to do. I’m very clear this is my main gripe with Levy. He should have the balls to stand by his hiring decisions more.
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The problem is that the Conte situation may be out of Levy's hands. Even if he gives Conte everything he wants, there is no guarantee that Conte will stay for the long-term. I think Conte's family will be the decisive factor and he will go back to Italy in the summer irrespective of the players we sign.

I think our best hope is to strengthen the squad in this window and do our best to secure CL football for next season. I'd also like us to have a proper go at the FA Cup and the Champions League. We can beat any of the top teams on our day.

Conte may not be our manager next season but he is our manager for this season and I'd rather he left us on a high rather than a low.
 
Ionman34 said:
Just to draw a parallel, with respect to Bissouma, we were all laughing at the filth over their first season with Odegaard. Now he's playing like the player that RM expected him to be.

Sometimes it takes a season for a player, in a new side, to hit their straps.
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Don’t be stupid mate. Players don’t need time. That’s just an excuse rolled out when a manager is a doing a bit of a crap job.

When I bought him on football manager he won player of the season in his first season and scored 20+ goals. Using my patented 1-2-3-1-2–1-1 formation I might add.

Piece of piss this manager lark if you know what you are doing.
 
ginola92 said:
Do you see any clear plan of how we want to operate under paratici though? Because I don’t. I count 3 signings that have genuinely improved our first 11 and 2 of them were just cast offs from his previous club who turned out to be good. Spending 50 mil on royal and Gil for example looks to be more woeful business. We’re singing players like Spence who don’t fit the profile of player the current manager wants. It’s all just a confusing mess, the board don’t know what type of club they want us to be.
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I think the plan is to buy a combination of young players to develop and buy 1st team players.

As Conte said we can't afford to make mistakes in who we buy.
 
AberdeenYid said:
In the last six years, we’ve had a 6th and 7th finish. A 5th, 4th twice and a 3rd. Pretty consistent, but not as good as the years Poch was here.

We’ve also opened the stadium and made other behind the scenes improvements. I think it’s unfair to class the last few years as a “shambles”.

However, to your question. Two things would tip me over the edge.

1. Sacking Conte in the next few seasons. If he leaves, fuck him, but if not be impressed if we sacked yet another manager in a knee jerk fashion.
2. Not backing him over the winter and summer windows. Stadium open, no Covid, strong DoF in place. We should be banging money on other teams tables for quality players.

Fuck this 20 years shite. We’ve never been in a position to compete, but we are in a better position than ever before now. And we need it to happen. Back the manager with cash and a long term contract.
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I fear you may be very disappointed, I cannot see Levy splashing the cash . I feel more likely he will spin it we could not give money to a manager who would not sign a new contract. Levy will then hire a less confrontational project manager, I hope I’m wrong
 
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