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Lennon would be fit 5% of the time, that sort of player wasn't existent then for a reason, he's ankles would be gone at 14
Im not saying its right but those skilled players had to deal with that
Alright Bernard Matthews.
I really don't get this argument.
If everybody was " pretty much lacklustre" why weren't there more great players ?
It's up there with "It was easier to score goals back then "
Well, why wasn't everyone scoring as many goals as Jimmy ?
There were loads of great players though...
Because Jimmy was better?
Just because he scored more than others doesn't mean others weren't scoring goals. And because he was more than a goalscorer is why he's remembered as a great and the other guys who would get 30+ goals aren't.
Almost like the argument that Kane is the best striker in the world yet many others are out scoring him every year.
But only because nearly everyone else was "lacklustre", right ?
Because he was surrounded by "lacklustre" defenders ?
but nowhere near as many as him.
Nobody had anywhere near the consistency he had.
Jimmy should definitely be included in the GOAT conversation and it amazes me that he's not, especially when you have Best mentioned in there.
Well, the level of quality was alot worse. So yes. Unless you had more about you that stands the test of the time like the players we still talk of today.
Pele, Maradona, Cruyff etc.
All ground breaking in their own way. In a time where it was alot easier to be ground breaking.
More that he was just a really really good player. You only have to watch full Tottenham games from that time or highlights to see he was a lot better than the amateurs he was pretty much playing against.
Shame we couldn't plop him into the 90s beyond. But I think Greaves is in the category of players that you could put in any generation and he'll do well.
Well, no. Because Greaves was better. I thought that was clear?
When did I say he wasn't?
Greaves is a fantastic footballer. Not just a great finisher but a really good footballer too. Which was somewhat ground breaking in his day. You usually just had your Laws, Smiths, Hunts who were all good finishers, but Greaves eclipsed them in overall ability which is why he's remembered today and others from that time simply aren't. Despite their goalscoring ability.
So pretty much the same as today's players.
Which is why we will be talking about Messi in years to come.
Playing against amateurs ?
But still good enough for the 90s
Which is my point.
If the great players of yesteryear were born in modern times they'd still be great players today.
It has nothing to do with playing against lacklustre opposition
Jimmy, Charlton, Best, Pele, Beckenbauer (spelling?) would still be great today.
The same way that Messi, Ronaldo (Fat and Portuguese), Kane, etc would still be great if he'd played back then.*
*Growth hormone permitting.
Perhaps but the level or quality is so much higher now that there's alot more players playing today who would look 10x better back in the 60s. As opposed to the other way round. That much is obvious.
As in the standard was terrible.
They would be great players. But likely wouldn't be remembered as much, no.
Cruyff is remembered because of total football and the turn. Your average Championship team can play total football with half their team cruyff turning twice per game nowadays. Football evolves.
That's not to say Cruyff wouldn't excel in a different way. He was a great footballer, but players from those days are like lore.
I'd argue modern day footballers would look better if you put threw them in a time machine than the other way round. Which says enough.
Sadly, the more and more time goes on, the more of these legends from the 1960s will continue to get blown out of proportion in comparison to the players from modern day because of the lack of people alive to actually have seen them sadly.
I don't believe in the argument.
Simply because the argument has to be on a level playing field (pun intended)
If someone says that olden day players wouldn't be as good today because of fitness, conditioning, diet etc.
Then you also have to say that the players of today wouldn't be as good years ago because of the lack of fitness, conditioning etc etc......along with playing on mudheaps, sandpits and getting kicked in the knackers every time you received the ball.
A great player is a great player from any era.
It's just the shock of the new. He was clearly as talented with the ball as either of the Argentinians. He was also playing in boots like Wellies, on bog of pitches and zero refereeing protection. He'd have loved playing today.
Saw that. It’s why he is so good. He can score nearly 100 goals and run the midfield at the same time. It’s why with no disrespected to Ronaldo, Haaland, Mbappe it’s just not remotely comparable, Messi’s all round game is the best by far of any player I have ever seen.
Exactly. When have you ever seen Ronaldo play passes like that? Even if he could he wouldn’t do it because he’s a prick.
Almost never and to be fair it’s very hard. Ronaldo at his peak with his quick feet, pace, power and elite finished redefined the wing forward role, he is one of the best and was incredible for a few years.
It’s just when talking about the GOAT in Messi you have a player that can do everything Ronaldo/Mbappe can and also everything Modric and De Bruyne can. It’s the all round complete game, maybe only Maradona had the same but his peak was shorter.