Ramos came for the money and fucked off quickly; with no recriminations, regrets or grumbles.
A hired hand who was prepared to go along with what Jol regarded as sabotage.
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A hired hand who was prepared to go along with what Jol regarded as sabotage.
I disagree with this entirely.
The whole success of the English game..The whole fabric, was built on the jeopardy of promotion and relegation.
Just that tiny chance, however miniscule, that your little club could one day reach the pinnacle is what has seen English Football thrive and why its the envy of the world.
Third, fourth and even 5th tier English leagues attract the kind of attendances other Europe nations of equivalent size could only ever dream of.
Once you take away that jeopardy and that risk, you kill the game as we know and love it
You undermine your own point - all of those other European nations have promotion/relegation as well.
The popularity of the PL has far more to do with commercial capitalism, the British place in the global economy, it's (the UK's) massive global media presence, and the legacy of the British Empire. The idea that United makes £600M/yr because of how romantic it is that Leicester slipped through one year and won a title is preposterous. It's not grounded in any sort of logic. It's simply a nonsensical argument made up by people who don't want change.
4 English champions in 23 years weren't financially doped or the one club that built a commercial monopoly before the rest of the sport caught on. Going back to your initial post, that's a pretty "clean sweep".
The game is fucked if the structure isn't changed to force more parity. The only way to do that is to increase financial controls, the only way to increase financial controls is to increase revenue sharing, and the only way to increase revenue sharing is to provide clubs security against the losses/disaster created by relegation.
The alternative is continuing with the whole City winning 80% of the trophies thing.
City have been slightly more successful over a ten year period than Liverpool were in the 80s.
When Pep goes there’s a good chance the cycle will shift again.
Had Liverpool, United, woolwich / Chelsea, currently City.
I think it’s about time. Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
This is a very optimistic view, in my opinion. Unless Saudi overtake them, without adjustment in the financial system of football City will continue to dominate English football for the foreseeable future. They will not win every trophy, but they will win nearly every trophy they decide to win. What they've built is far less fragile than what Abramovich built at Chelsea.City have been slightly more successful over a ten year period than Liverpool were in the 80s.
When Pep goes there’s a good chance the cycle will shift again.
Had Liverpool, United, woolwich / Chelsea, currently City.
I think it’s about time. Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
And not that Pep has delivered proof of concept, they will continue to hire managers from the very top shelf - they won't have another Pelligrini or Hughes.
Unless something is done, I 100% expect they will win 8/10 PL titles going forward.
Winning is hardCity have been slightly more successful over a ten year period than Liverpool were in the 80s.
When Pep goes there’s a good chance the cycle will shift again.
Had Liverpool, United, woolwich / Chelsea, currently City.
I think it’s about time. Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
That sadly might be a good thing as a Spurs fan , if not for the game overall .Chelsea have Poch and will spend , Woolwich have finally realised unlike us you must get rid of the dross even if you give them away , added to a new desire to spend . We have Poundland Levy still running things, without City Woolwich have just won the league . Do I like the idea of City winning the next ten league titles , hell no , is it better than Woolwich and Chelsea winning 4 or 5 between them in that time , hell yes
The facts are we are in decline , Ange might get us playing some better football but with ENIC in charge we will not be competing in my opinion
I don't think Chelsea will spend like they did tge last 2 windows. Plenty of coverage of how they've utilized spreading that money into the future to cover off FFP, that will limit their flexibility now and a lot of that money looks to have been wasted. Boehley is clever enough to just get himself in trouble, he's used to MLB where he can just pay a "luxury tax" with all the LA local tv revenue and not give it a 2nd thought.
I don't think Woolwich will last, either, they peaked, they failed, they'll have a hangover year this year and end up sacking lego hair in the middle of 24-25 when they're sitting 8th and get knocked out of the Europa
Since 1980 I count 10 different winners of the english top flight.
Of those 10, Leicester, Leeds, Everton, Villa and Blackburn won it once each. So the other 5 have shared it over the other 38 or so years.
It wasn't that competitive before Chelsea won the lotto. Between 1990 and 2003 Man United won it in 8 of the 13 seasons and didn't even get started until 1992.
In fact, since Chelsea won the lotto in 2003 the door seemed to open a bit with them, Leicester, Liverpool and City winning titles instead of it just being Man United most years.
Newcastle will win it in the next few years.
You can only win it now with big financial clout IMO.
But there's more interest than ever in people/companies/countries with that clout getting onboard. At least with 5-6 big spending clubs it's not always gonna be the same. City would probably have become the new United but for Newcastle. And if United get sold that makes it at least a 3 way fight. I don't think Chelsea will be as bad again.
We won't do shit with ENIC. The choice for our fans is simple, accept mediocrity or accept dirty money. There is no best of both situation
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Good post mate, I think most would accept dirty money if it brought success.
The current model, does or has not worked.
Agree.
Levy banking on FFP and regulations to make success possible, or at least a playing field level to his ambitions.
Surely as a multi millionaire he must know that playing fair is noble but never enough at the elite end of anything.???
Personally, as much as we are all over it and have accepted its his model, I’m not sure who is being fooled here?
Does anyone really believe in the system anymore?
I don't think he or ENIC think Spurs can actually be a successful club and I don't think that matters to them.
Being in the PL every season. Being in Europe almost every season. Being in the CL some seasons. All of that makes us a valuable took to use.
We are being used, there's little doubt of that. We can be used without any money being taken out of the club, that's what many can't see.
I don't know how, anyone can't see it, I had these rumbled during the redknapp era, it was obvious their intention was survival in the league only.
The club has massively underachieved during their time.
Going the extra mile takes a lot of risk and expense. Nelson and Saha just helped us over the line to get top 4. Then Redknapp takes the fall for Chelsea winning the CL and taking our CL spot.
If Nelson and Saha had been, say, Cahill and Suarez......
But they both would have cost real money, not sofa change so.
People think Levy is a good businessman, but he's not really, is he. There a trail of errors over the decades where we have lost both in terms of football results and finances because of him.
Just off the top of my head:
Still no stadium sponsor
Stadium going well over budget and time because of him changing plans regularly
Choosing to focus on infrastructure over all else thinking it was a golden ticket
Not pushing on under Redknapp and giving him 2 over the hill mercenaries
Not pushing on under Poch with 2 entire windows of nothing when we were probably 2 or 3 class players from being the best in the country/Europe
Nono
Extremely poor transfer policies in the last 7-8 years
The stadium is his crowning glory. Yet what did he do? He got good finance I guess. The rest is down to advisors, architects, designers, engineers etc. It's not like he's pulled a rabbit out of a hat and built a £1bn stadium from shrewd investments. Most of it is on long terms, easily sustainable finance.
American style "franchise" sport is shit. Same teams competing every season.
Fucking boring, we don't want it here. Get it through your head.
And the minute the Super league comes in is when I stop watching Spurs and go and watch my local team.
Fucking yanks and their cultural imperialism
I know that Suarez and Cahill were no guarantee of success, nothing ever is, but better players equal better chance of it.
And herein is the levy problem, he is risk adverse, so he won't take those gambles that get things over the line.
Even our transfer dealings are a joke, spend weeks low balling, then almost agree on a deal, only for him to move the goalposts again.
It frustrates us, fuck knows what all the people involved must think, he has in place in the boardroom but probably as an accountant only.
As a football administrator, the game has gone past him , and with it his antics as well.
Just need someone to save this club now, from drifting along, pretending to be a big club, when the reality is we are not.
In the 11/12 season, we were 3rd for 14 match weeks.
As at Jan 31st (end of the window) we had lost 4 games. Twice to City (robbed in 1) Once to United and a freak lost to Stoke. 15 wins and 4 draws at that stage. And we get Nelson and Saha. Had we not been robbed away to City, and backed Redknapp with some decent players, we would have finished no lower than 3rd, and in with a good shot of 2nd or....
But no.
But NO the ENIC mission statement.
I think we are a big club though. 60,000 fans week in week out despite no longer winning anything. and our illustrious history pre ENIC would suggest so.
In fact it's our size and incredible fanbase that have allowed these parasites to feed off us to pursue their other non football related aims since the turn of the century.
It's now reached the point though where other clubs who were previously our peers or inferior no longer take us seriously as a big club.