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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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HampshireSpur said:
Def think the fans have turned.

Always were some 'Ange out' types based on his SPL/J-league etc background, which I don't think is quite fair, to be honest.

Ange sceptics (like me) have been worried since the Chelsea game and his 'it's who we are mate' stuff.

But now some of the previously satisfied customers are turning. And some noted happy clappers have gone very quiet.

But here's the rub - sacking managers mid season is usually just a panic reaction. Who is out there, available, who is good and prepared to work with you-know-who?

There was a saying in the Soviet Union - a fish rots from the head.
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i agree. there were fans that didnt fancy him from the off and if that was because of the ropey league history then maybe its a little harsh, but chelsea he showed just how rigid he is and its quite frankly ridiculous. ive wanted him out since then, it was actually fuking unbelievable, i dont think a lot of people realise how fucking bad that was, youll never see anything like that again.

he has to go now, its done. it never comes round when it gets to this point. i think the players have given up on him anyway.

if the fans that didnt want him in the first place knew how rigid he was then fair play. hes been an horrendous appointment. really worrying that we have people at the club in big important roles who dont do their research on managers like this.

why is it so hard to ask for a competent manager that balances his side out and is practical? these cunts are paid millions it should be the minimum standard.
 
Aphex said:
I said last season we should have sacked him in the summer. It was clear the direction of travel, we were getting worse and worse. I genuinely can't believe anyone can be still behind Ange. The guy is an absolute fraud. Name me one player who Ange is getting a tune out of? Forget tactics for a second, which he is terrible at by the way, and name me one player who is performing well under Ange? The concensus seems to be we have an average squad, where as I think it's Ange who is making it average.

Son? Maybe he's too old now but is Ange getting the best out of him? What's happened to Maddison? Do you remember how good bentancur and Kulu were under Conte? Romero world class for Argentina but a clown under Ange? Porro and Udogie? when was the last time they played well? Does the inverted fullback role actually suit them? No. Is Johnson really as bad as he looks under Ange? for Forest he was better.

Does anyone seriously think a manager like Areola wouldn't do a better job with this squad? Look at what Emery is doing with a quite average Villa squad let's be honest. We would be so much better under a competent coach.

Honestly we are so so bad under Ange is isn't funny. I can't believe the cult he has following him and why there isn't more pressure on him.

He needs to go. At this point his sacking is inevitable. Some of us are more clued up and saw it coming from a mile off. All this talk about just give a manager time and all will be ok is just delusional bollocks. Persisting with a clown in charge is not a wise strategy, it's stupid.

I'm sick of his arrogance in interviews, after he looks gormless all match on the touchline. Just because Arteta turned out good for Woolwich, it doesn't mean Ange is. It's clear now that Arteta is a very special coach, they had constant improvement. Ange is a pretender.
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go support them then - this club needs a revolving door on the managers office almost as badly as it need doom mongers like you who blame the manager for not turning a squad of average to above average PL players into world beaters.

The problem isn't the manager, its the club chairman and the board, for not investing in high quality players, and buying average ones at stupid prices.
 
HampshireSpur said:
I was in favour of bringing Ange in and I found him VERY refreshing after Nuno/Conte-ball.

Where alarm bells started ringing for me was the Chelsea game where we went down to nine men with the suicidal high line. As worrying as the tactics was the bravado afterwards - "it's who we are". And some people bought into this. Found it all quite troubling.
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See I didn't want him. Something about him didn't add up to me, like how a coach can be around that long and not be given a chance in a top league.
Winning the league with Celtic since Rangers folded is absolutely nothing special.
Interestingly Celtic and Australia fans liked to praise him for getting beat by bigger teams but playing well. Sounds familiar, right?

As for after he arrived, I had concerns inside those first 10 games tbh.
Needing 12 minutes of injury time to beat relegation fodder Sheffield United.
Needing injury time and an own goal to beat 9 man Liverpool.

It just seems to be the same thing, week after week. Lots of possession and passes into the box. But by the time those passes into the box happen, it's packed full of opposition players and nobody is ever going to score.
There is no desire from the whole team to ever exploit space and numbers. We want to play the whole game with everyone except Vicario in the opposition half.
And when the opposition come into our half, we wait for them to get back before having a go at them. Every time. When there's a sight of goal around the edge of the box, no one takes it.
We have half chances most of the time. We're not creating good chances and missing them. So the stats look good, but the reality is boring crap quite frankly.

I honestly don't think it's the players. I think they're following orders and the plan just doesn't work against any well drilled team.
 
Mick Cooper said:
go support them then - this club needs a revolving door on the managers office almost as badly as it need doom mongers like you who blame the manager for not turning a squad of average to above average PL players into world beaters.

The problem isn't the manager, its the club chairman and the board, for not investing in high quality players, and buying average ones at stupid prices.
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The club chairman and the board are not leaving or changing.

The only things guaranteed to change are the manager, and, more slowly, the playing staff.

It's not Ange's fault that he doesn't have the right players to execute his philosophy. It IS his fault he continues to persevere with it regardless without being pragmatic or tactically diverse.

It can be true that the manager and board are at fault.
 
TravellerOfBoth said:
7 out of our last 11 we've lost. So no not just one game. And considering after the City game, he happily created this idea, that the media then shoved down our throats. That he's just too much of a winner for our loser fanbase.. Maybe losing all of these games but then saying afterwards, but hey arent we playing well (When we're just really not playing well at all), isn't gonna fly.
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Tim Cahill. Who is an Aussie with no allegiance with Tottenham.
Much like all the Aussies that signed up here after he joined - I do not value their opinion in the slightest.
 
Murphy said:
The club chairman and the board are not leaving or changing.

The only things guaranteed to change are the manager, and, more slowly, the playing staff.

It's not Ange's fault that he doesn't have the right players to execute his philosophy. It IS his fault he continues to persevere with it regardless without being pragmatic or tactically diverse.

It can be true that the manager and board are at fault.
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I don't think his issue is pragmatism. We don't give up chances left and right. His issue defensively is starting Romero.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Because I’m saying that is the difference. Their forwards executed that game. Our haven’t bar Everton.

The way we are playing isn’t wrong, we just aren’t scoring goals. If we went 5 atb or whatever and gave up the ball more to play on the counter, they’d need to be EVEN MORE clinical than they aren’t right now.

We haven’t been that clinical since Jose had peak Kane and Son and even then it wasn’t enough.

It is possible to get clinical results from lower quality forwards but you need chemistry and a settled front 3 with a settled rotation in and out of them.and it takes time.

The only good thing is that games come thick and fast now so there will be more reps to build chemistry. If we don’t build chemistry it went matter who the coach is, if you can’t score goals when you dominate the ball, you won’t win games.
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You must be watching a different game to the rest us.

Everton are the only team that had no plan for a while. Everyone else is getting something out of us because they have a plan.
You're really confusing possession and touches in the box with actual, quality football and chances.
 
Mick Cooper said:
go support them then - this club needs a revolving door on the managers office almost as badly as it need doom mongers like you who blame the manager for not turning a squad of average to above average PL players into world beaters.

The problem isn't the manager, its the club chairman and the board, for not investing in high quality players, and buying average ones at stupid prices.
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You're one of the deluded. It's not doom monging, the team are doing that themselves by losing. Have you seen our record under Ange? It's horrific.

We do not have an average team, we have a good team that could be very good under a proper coach. Ange is making you all think we are average because of his shite tactics and coaching. Why do you always fall into this trap?

Yes the owners are liable to an extent, but when you see what Iraola and Emery are doing with inferior squads, it shows that Ange is a fraud. A big fat fraud. Yet you continually overlook it? why?
 
Murphy said:
I think that's more Romero going walkabout. I'm not sure that's Ange. Even yesterday Romero was almost the furthest forward in one of our final attacks but nobody was anywhere near being useful to him and we just recycled the ball.

Unless I'm massively missing "Angeball", it's supposed to overload and overwhelm. We aren't seeing that. Just lots of the ball that we pass around the middle halves of the pitch.
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Woolwich could have had more from their corners, let's be serious.
Their attacking from them was better than our defending. I had my heart in my mouth every single time the ball came in. Every time.
 
Aphex said:
It was clear the direction of travel
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agree with all of that, but this is the main bit.

i said the other day our last 30 odd games were horrific and got told i was cherry picking hahahaha. we are getting worse now because the players are sick of it. the whole backwards and sideways is because subconsciously they know if they lose the ball they are then forced to sprint back 70m...you aint gonna wanna lose the ball if thats the punishment every single time. its draining mentally and physically. this clown has to go hes shockingly bad. id rather have mason at this point, thats how desperate it is.
 
HampshireSpur said:
Def think the fans have turned.

Always were some 'Ange out' types based on his SPL/J-league etc background, which I don't think is quite fair, to be honest.

Ange sceptics (like me) have been worried since the Chelsea game and his 'it's who we are mate' stuff.

But now some of the previously satisfied customers are turning. And some noted happy clappers have gone very quiet.

But here's the rub - sacking managers mid season is usually just a panic reaction. Who is out there, available, who is good and prepared to work with you-know-who?

There was a saying in the Soviet Union - a fish rots from the head.
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I am an Ange supporter (still, but just barely) and I'm going to tell you why some of the fans might be turning (from my experience).

When Conte and Stellini were in charge, all I wanted for the season after was to watch some beautiful football, because I was so mentally exhausted from watching that shitshow for a year, not caring a single bit about the results, also because I was mentally prepared that we would lose Kane.

This season though, the expectations have gone higher, because he's had a year now to implement his style, and he's got enough cash to build his own squad.

The signs aren't good, but I still believe that he can turn it around (just barely though, and I can't stress that enough...)
 
Aphex said:
We do not have an average team, we have a good team that could be very good under a proper coach
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100%. fans now think a lot of these players are shit when thats not the case. yes the forwards are still not at the level needed but we should still be doing a hell of a lot better.

we are going backwards now, we might pump some shit team, thats more to do with them. but any semi decent side knows they just have to get compact and counter, stick it under vicario at set pieces and its an easy game.
 
I do find it weird how some of these pundits are only talking about it being a bad start to this season, we were shocking for the last half of last season too, arguably it was all downhill after the first ten games.

That’s my biggest concern, I don’t see any of the problems we had last season as being solved or looked at. The Chelsea away game last season was the most disgusting display I’ve seen from us in a few years and there’s been plenty of competition for it.

It feels like managers who set up against us just have a simple phrase in their team talks which is basically “be patient”. Teams set up against us, let us move sideways and create nothing then simply pop it over or through us and get their goals. We’re basically guaranteeing any half decent team goals currently.
 
Aphex said:
I said last season we should have sacked him in the summer. It was clear the direction of travel, we were getting worse and worse. I genuinely can't believe anyone can be still behind Ange. The guy is an absolute fraud. Name me one player who Ange is getting a tune out of? Forget tactics for a second, which he is terrible at by the way, and name me one player who is performing well under Ange? The concensus seems to be we have an average squad, where as I think it's Ange who is making it average.

Son? Maybe he's too old now but is Ange getting the best out of him? What's happened to Maddison? Do you remember how good bentancur and Kulu were under Conte? Romero world class for Argentina but a clown under Ange? Porro and Udogie? when was the last time they played well? Does the inverted fullback role actually suit them? No. Is Johnson really as bad as he looks under Ange? for Forest he was better.

Does anyone seriously think a manager like Areola wouldn't do a better job with this squad? Look at what Emery is doing with a quite average Villa squad let's be honest. We would be so much better under a competent coach.

Honestly we are so so bad under Ange is isn't funny. I can't believe the cult he has following him and why there isn't more pressure on him.

He needs to go. At this point his sacking is inevitable. Some of us are more clued up and saw it coming from a mile off. All this talk about just give a manager time and all will be ok is just delusional bollocks. Persisting with a clown in charge is not a wise strategy, it's stupid.

I'm sick of his arrogance in interviews, after he looks gormless all match on the touchline. Just because Arteta turned out good for Woolwich, it doesn't mean Ange is. It's clear now that Arteta is a very special coach, they had constant improvement. Ange is a pretender.
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It seems a cheeky chappy persona goes a long way towards buying you time with this fanbase.

We are coming up to 12 months now on a downward trend and he is absolutely failing to get the most out of this squad.

The wait and see brigade are surviving on nothing but blind faith.

Our next 5 games:
Brentford (H)
United (A)
Brighton (A)
WHU (H)
Palace (A)

I would not be at all surprised if we took something like 4-6 points from that run. Leaving us around 8-10 points after 9 games. Relegation form.

At what point would Levy pull the trigger on Ange?
 
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