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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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bus-conductor said:
Got to say, I’ve been very supportive of Ange because I could see consistent methodology at work, I could see weaknesses improving and the underlying metrics support that strongly.

Last week I was just plain impressed with Palace, who according to their own fans, played their best game of the season. They were outstandingly good, and That can happen.

But this week was a really hot mess imo, that was more like the dark days of last season than anything we’ve seen this season. There was very little of the ethos or tactics that Ange has preached relentlessly, that we have mostly seen this season, and this despite Villa being fucking insipid.

I thought the team selection was inviting the kind of creatively void performance we got first half. In the first 45 minutes we’d not had a single shot on target, had an XG of 0.17, and not even dominated the ball like we usually do (53%). That’s also got to be the fewest passes we’ve completed in a game, and not just second half. In other words not the usual Ange performance markers. That’s also possibly the highest XG we’ve conceded all season. Again, against an abjectly insipid Villa.

I hope today is an outlier, I enjoyed the goals and result, but I didn’t see a coherent methodology. I saw some slightly whacky idea mud balls being flung at the wall and luckily some stuck. We allowed more chances than usual and got away with it. We’ve played much more coherently and not got a result.
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bus-conductor said:
I'm definitely not Ange out, and have very much been on board, generally I think he's working pretty well with a pretty weak hand (for various reasons - age, experience, quality), I've been a vocal defender because what I've seen is coached method and underlying metrics telling me he's getting things pretty right.

What I saw today was a total lack cohesion and creativity for 45 minutes. I saw a pretty insipid Villa have a tone of the ball, make some great chances, and have an XG of 2.49 (higher than ours 2.10), nearly double the XG of our worst game previously all season.

I happily defended Ange when he was being criticised when I thought it was unfair. And I've definitely not piled on during some of the bad results, if I generally like what I see in terms of the coached basics and methodology. And I'm not saying it's all gone to shit from one game now. But I didn't like some of the things I saw today, because I don't believe turning games into incoherent basketball games is a sustainable route to success. I have questioned his selection and subs before (who hasn't) but I definitely didn't agree with the selection today, and I still don't, I thought it was counter intuitive to what the ethos is supposed to be.

I've never criticised him for not having a plan B, don't buy into the whole plan B bullshit, especially if plan B is to open up the game for both teams, relinquish control of the ball and chances. I'm happy for Ange to stick to planA and just keep trying to improve it, and add better players to it.
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bus-conductor said:
Sarr was good today, and Sarr has merits and a role to play in the squad, likewise Maddison and Kulusesvki, merits and roles to play. I'm just not in agreement with the remits as applied sometimes, like today.

I'll row back from my position if circumstances dictate it. Great ball by Kulusevski today for the goal, but he was barely involved apart from that (17 passes in 100 minutes) my issue is absolutely not about "beautiful" it's the opposite, it's about substance and his lack of involvement and ability to disappear from games for long spells - which Maddison doesn't do - whilst Maddison still creates (and his XA has constantly been better than Kulusevski's and still is, as his actual assists 3v2 in 100 less minutes).

It doesn't have to be a Maddison v Kulusevski issue, but if it is, then my choice is Maddison. More productive, more involved (with and without the ball), more conducive to the "method" IMO.

We only just edged Villa for possession today (which is miles under our usual), and that was consistent throughout, and as I said, that was the most chances/XG we'd conceded all season.

Sometimes goals alter perspective.
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So was mullered last week for the above, but turns out it wasn’t a one off.

The stuff I was talking about was all in evidence again today. That score flattered the tactical approach last week, which was frankly a fucking mess. Pedestrian first half again, no one to get hold of the ball in midfield areas and make intelligent or incisive decisions, three midfielders all uncomfortable when pressed.

Then the first sub was fucking nuts. Left us with one midfielder and three CF’s. Waiting until 80 mins to bring in Maddison on Bissouma on pffftt.

Again, I’ve been generally supportive of Ange’s ethos and until a couple of weeks ago he’d definitely improved us at both ends on last season. And I acknowledge he’s working with a pretty meh group of players. But his selections and tactical application and in-game management has been worrying for me for a few weeks now. He/We have regressed.

As last weeks posts show, I’m not a scoreline whiner, I can tolerate losing when the fundamentals and underlying basics look ok, but the signs were there last week and have materialised again this week.

Jimmy G Jimmy G The Absolute GOAT The Absolute GOAT Zest Zest JimothyCF14 JimothyCF14 Billy Bob mate Billy Bob mate

you all had a good chuckle - as did about 20 people who liked or chuckled with you. Does last week make any more sense now?
 
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Tomo said:
It’s frustrating as I can’t figure out the level of the players. It’s pretty apparent that Kane has carried the club for 10 years now, shit performances under multiple managers like Jose and Conte only for Kane to save us time after time. We now don’t have Kane.

So it all on our squad and they are up and down all the time. Maybe it’s an AVB situation and Ange is holding them back so when a Pochettino comes in we can bloom or maybe our squad is just average and like all fans we overrate them.

For the record I live up north now and am surrounded by Liverpool, United and even a few City fans. I always take their pulse to try and avoid delusion that comes from being within your own fan group. The general feeling is that we are at best an average squad of players. Other than Son they hardly rate any of our team. Odd comments like Udogie ain’t bad, but that is about it. We might just be shit.

My own view is this is a talented but by very flakey group.
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It’s worth reading a few other forums sometimes to get a view on how other clubs see our players. My conclusion is this forum has a band of happy-clapping halfwits who ludicrously over-rate some of our players because they think that’s what being a fan is about. It’s not.
 
AberdeenYid said:
The players we had out there today should have been capable of a comfortable win, no matter who the manager is.

Not saying Ange is blameless, as he should have them up for the battle, but the players are letting us down.
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being a manager & coach is more than getting the players up for a game
its about what tacytics & players you use in a game
this clown can only do ONE thing so its easy for good coaches to work on tactics to stop/beat us
 
bus-conductor said:
So was mullered last week for the above, but turns out it wasn’t a one off.

The stuff I was talking about was all in evidence again today. That score flattered the tactical approach last week, which was frankly a fucking mess. Pedestrian first half again, no one to get hold of the ball in midfield areas and make intelligent or incisive decisions, three midfielders all uncomfortable when pressed.

Then the first sub was fucking nuts. Waiting until 80 mins to bring in Maddison on Bissouma on pffftt.

Again, I’ve been generally supportive of Ange’s ethos and until a couple of weeks ago he’d definitely improved us at both ends on last season. And I acknowledge he’s working with a pretty meh group of players. But his selections and tactical application and in-game management has been worrying for me for a few weeks now. He/We have regressed.

As last weeks posts show, I’m not a scoreline whiner, I can tolerate losing when the fundamentals and underlying basics look ok, but the signs were there last week and have materialised again this week.

Jimmy G Jimmy G The Absolute GOAT The Absolute GOAT Zest Zest JimothyCF14 JimothyCF14 Billy Bob mate Billy Bob mate

you all had a good chuckle - as did about 20 people who liked or chuckled with you. Does last week make any more sense now?
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None of those pointless happy clappers are to be taken seriously, we could lose 3 times in a row to Woolwich, twice in a row to Chelsea, concede 60 odd goals and they'd still hype the manager in charge because either they don't understand the sport they claim to watch or they very sadly care about being the most positive and bestest fan on an anonymous forum.
 
TonySoprano said:
It’s worth reading a few other forums sometimes to get a view on how other clubs see our players. My conclusion is this forum has a band of happy-clapping halfwits who ludicrously over-rate some of our players because they think that’s what being a fan is about. It’s not.
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Totally on the happy clappy halfwits, our players are over rated but i think we're in a Ramos / AVB moment where someone will come in and make some of them look a lot better than they're currently showing. We still need 4 or 5 really good new signings mind but this lot are better than the unorganised rabble they look 70% of the time currently.
 
nasm_f said:
None of those pointless happy clappers are to be taken seriously, we could lose 3 times in a row to Woolwich, twice in a row to Chelsea, concede 60 odd goals and they'd still hype the manager in charge because either they don't understand the sport they claim to watch or they very sadly care about being the most positive and bestest fan on an anonymous forum.
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Nah fuck that actually. Being derided as being a happy clapper because I was pleased we steamrollered Villa and laughed at the idea we should have actually been miserable about it?

Go and stick your head in a microwave.
 
There is no way we are finishign 4th this season ffs. More likely to finish 14th. Anyone who thinks we will or even likely to are full blown delusional.

I hate to be right, but I've been telling you all for months, since last season, this guy is a fucking fraud.

Just back from the game today, and Ipswich wanted it more. They were sharper to every ball. Stronger, faster. More switched on.

McKenna was constantly cajoling, COACHING his side from the sidelines. Ange stood there like a gormless fraud. Completely out of his depth.

We were so open defensively, so much space in midfield, Ipswich could have scored four or five with better finishing. Just like against Palace. We are tactically awful. He has no in game management, when he has got it right with subs its rare and I put it down to pure luck.

I heard on the radio Matterface also picked up with his non existent in game management, said v Brighton he didn't make subs early enough when it was clear it wasn't working and then they scored the 3rd, and he did it again today.

Why anyone still believes this guy will bring us success, god only knows. Our players are much better than this shower.

We are the definition of midtable, we wil finish anywhere from 8th to 14th under this guy.

This is who Ange is, we will play some silky football one week, and the other we lose to relegation teams. End the experiement. A 60 year old fraud who has only won in Scotland, Japan and Australia. If you say that out loud you realise how pathetic it sounds.

Today was one of the single worst performances I've seen from Spurs. No clue, no idea. Ange out.
 
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