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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Jaynola said:
Let's have it right...say we win the EL and/or Carabao Cup...and that's a big fucking if already.

Well Ange would still be a fucking joke of a manager/coach and still should be nowhere near the Spurs job. I say that now and I'd say it then.

You win one/two trophies and you're still utter shite at your job in most people's eyes. Says it all about that dumpling.

Avram Grant and Bobby Di Matteo once won big things with the Chavs iirc...didn't make them elite managers and they rightly got the sack soon after.
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If he wins 2 trophies in one season, he’s the best Spurs manager in the Premier League era.

Sport is about winning, not what Jaynola on TFC forum thinks are “good tactics”.
 
Rooster said:
NFL /MLB / NBA is make more revenue because its in the United States.
The sports there is also operated differently from Europe. Most leagues in the US have about 20 to 30 teams max with no relegations. All teams also have salary caps and the revenue (Like TV deals) is split evenly between teams.
So the US team owners actually make money off of their ownership win or lose... while as European football owners lose money if they are not winning. So its natural that they are worth more.

Creating a super league wouldn't overcome the US. Their market itself is just larger than the whole EU combined and basketball/baseball is getting more popular around the world.
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You said it right there in the 3rd sentence. That's the end state of the Super League. A closed structure with 20-30 teams and all the world's best players, streaming live globally, untethered from national pyramids.

That's what vaults (those) football clubs' values over any other professional sports endeavor. That's what ENIC, FSG, The Friedkin Group (Everton), Kroenke, Glazers/INEOS, etc. are working towards.

I don't want it. You don't want it. But several hundred years of historic record of capitalist systems makes me inclined to believe that the billionaires will eventually get what they want. Football won't be some magical line in the sand we make a stand on and defeat the global capitalist scourge.


And, yes, the NFL and NBA are growing in global popularity. That's even more reason why these people want the Super League. They don't measure the growth of their assets merely in isolated value - they measure it relative to comparable properties (i.e. NFL/NBA teams).

They're not looking at it as though THFC has gained $2.7B ($514M - $3.2B) in value over the past 10 years, they look at it as though they lost £2.3B of value to the Los Angeles Clippers ($575M - $5.5B) in the past 10 years. They're looking at the NBA and considering why a sport with less than 20% as much global support is rapidly outpacing the growth of their investments in the world's most popular sport. And they're going to take the lessons from those observations and apply them to their own market.
 
Whatever happens it’s gonna cost Levy money, there’s no other way

Sack Ange and co - costs Levy money

Appoint a new manager and backroom staff - costs Levy money

Keeps Ange and supports him with new players - costs Levy money

Appoints a new manager and backroom staff and buys him new players - costs Levy money

Relegation - costs Levy money

This is going to be a very interesting transfer window and couple of weeks
 
MemphisWill said:
You said it right there in the 3rd sentence. That's the end state of the Super League. A closed structure with 20-30 teams and all the world's best players, streaming live globally, untethered from national pyramids.

That's what vaults (those) football clubs' values over any other professional sports endeavor. That's what ENIC, FSG, The Friedkin Group (Everton), Kroenke, Glazers/INEOS, etc. are working towards.

I don't want it. You don't want it. But several hundred years of historic record of capitalist systems makes me inclined to believe that the billionaires will eventually get what they want.


And, yes, the NFL and NBA are growing in global popularity. That's even more reason why these people want the Super League. They don't manage the growth of their assets merely in isolated value - they manage it relative to comparable properties (i.e. NFL/NBA teams).

They're not looking at it as though THFC has gained $2.7B ($514M - $3.2B) in value over the past 10 years, they look at it as though they lost £2.3B of value to the Los Angeles Clippers ($575M - $5.5B) in the past 10 years. They're looking at the NBA and considering why a sport with less than 20% as much global support is rapidly outpacing the growth of their investments in the world's most popular sport. And they're going to take the lessons from those observations and apply them to their own market.
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Like I said, most of that is BECAUSE they are based in the US. For example, the Clippers are not worth alot because they are successful.... its just the market of LA they are based in. Making the super league does not mean it will make the value of the teams go higher. If you implement salary caps and no relegation to football the whole dynamics can change in a league and will become like the MLS. It will sure fill the pockets of the owners for sure though.
 
HyNdZee said:
Yeah. For me, it doesn't make sense to sack Ange for the likes of Mason. Even losing the cup semi and being in a relegation scrap, I wouldn't necessarily trust a caretaker manager to do better until the end of the season. Levy made that mistake with sacking Conte and things getting worse.

The problem is, if Ange does for example lose to Everton, I'd have to just admit he is utterly clueless in the Premier League and needs replaced ASAP. Normally I back managers until the end of the season, but if Ange loses versus Everton and Iraola or Xabi come in right away, I think it would be better for all parties.
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The difference between sacking Ange and replacing him with Mason compared to Conte is that I don’t possibly see how things could get any worse !
 
I just think levy hasnt got a clue who he wants to replace ange and if he has no clue then why fire ange now.

Regarding the players they will always get themselves up for a one off cup game but in the league they have been poor.
 
Aussies Dream said:
Whatever happens it’s gonna cost Levy money, there’s no other way

Sack Ange and co - costs Levy money

Appoint a new manager and backroom staff - costs Levy money

Keeps Ange and supports him with new players - costs Levy money

Appoints a new manager and backroom staff and buys him new players - costs Levy money

Relegation - costs Levy money

This is going to be a very interesting transfer window and couple of weeks
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Relegation wipes hundreds of millions off his asset value. It’s on a completely different scale to the other events you’ve listed
 
TonySoprano said:
If he wins 1 trophy is he a better manager than Poch? Or Jol or Redknapp. None of them won anything.
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Lots of shite managers have won trophies. Ten Hag has two FFS. Di Mateo has a CL trophy.

If Ange wins a trophy it will be a wonderful moment for this club but it will not make him a great manager. Just a memorable one. Great managers show their quality in the league, the league is the true measure.
 
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