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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
MemphisWill said:
You said it right there in the 3rd sentence. That's the end state of the Super League. A closed structure with 20-30 teams and all the world's best players, streaming live globally, untethered from national pyramids.

That's what vaults (those) football clubs' values over any other professional sports endeavor. That's what ENIC, FSG, The Friedkin Group (Everton), Kroenke, Glazers/INEOS, etc. are working towards.

I don't want it. You don't want it. But several hundred years of historic record of capitalist systems makes me inclined to believe that the billionaires will eventually get what they want.


And, yes, the NFL and NBA are growing in global popularity. That's even more reason why these people want the Super League. They don't manage the growth of their assets merely in isolated value - they manage it relative to comparable properties (i.e. NFL/NBA teams).

They're not looking at it as though THFC has gained $2.7B ($514M - $3.2B) in value over the past 10 years, they look at it as though they lost £2.3B of value to the Los Angeles Clippers ($575M - $5.5B) in the past 10 years. They're looking at the NBA and considering why a sport with less than 20% as much global support is rapidly outpacing the growth of their investments in the world's most popular sport. And they're going to take the lessons from those observations and apply them to their own market.
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Like I said, most of that is BECAUSE they are based in the US. For example, the Clippers are not worth alot because they are successful.... its just the market of LA they are based in. Making the super league does not mean it will make the value of the teams go higher. If you implement salary caps and no relegation to football the whole dynamics can change in a league and will become like the MLS. It will sure fill the pockets of the owners for sure though.
 
HyNdZee said:
Yeah. For me, it doesn't make sense to sack Ange for the likes of Mason. Even losing the cup semi and being in a relegation scrap, I wouldn't necessarily trust a caretaker manager to do better until the end of the season. Levy made that mistake with sacking Conte and things getting worse.

The problem is, if Ange does for example lose to Everton, I'd have to just admit he is utterly clueless in the Premier League and needs replaced ASAP. Normally I back managers until the end of the season, but if Ange loses versus Everton and Iraola or Xabi come in right away, I think it would be better for all parties.
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The difference between sacking Ange and replacing him with Mason compared to Conte is that I don’t possibly see how things could get any worse !
 
I just think levy hasnt got a clue who he wants to replace ange and if he has no clue then why fire ange now.

Regarding the players they will always get themselves up for a one off cup game but in the league they have been poor.
 
Aussies Dream said:
Whatever happens it’s gonna cost Levy money, there’s no other way

Sack Ange and co - costs Levy money

Appoint a new manager and backroom staff - costs Levy money

Keeps Ange and supports him with new players - costs Levy money

Appoints a new manager and backroom staff and buys him new players - costs Levy money

Relegation - costs Levy money

This is going to be a very interesting transfer window and couple of weeks
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Relegation wipes hundreds of millions off his asset value. It’s on a completely different scale to the other events you’ve listed
 
TonySoprano said:
If he wins 1 trophy is he a better manager than Poch? Or Jol or Redknapp. None of them won anything.
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Lots of shite managers have won trophies. Ten Hag has two FFS. Di Mateo has a CL trophy.

If Ange wins a trophy it will be a wonderful moment for this club but it will not make him a great manager. Just a memorable one. Great managers show their quality in the league, the league is the true measure.
 
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Fucking sack him already.

Either he has incriminating evidence on the board or more likely there's probably some clause that if they do it after a certain date they have to pay him off less money or something...maybe Ange asked for a clause that they can't sack him while he's still got a chance of winning a trophy after what they did to Jose.
 
Rooster said:
Like I said, most of that is BECAUSE they are based in the US. For example, the Clippers are not worth alot because they are successful.... its just the market of LA they are based in. Making the super league does not mean it will make the value of the teams go higher. If you implement salary caps and no relegation to football the whole dynamics can change in a league and will become like the MLS. It will sure fill the pockets of the owners for sure though.
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Well, it's less about the US base and more about the financial structure. The NBA markets and sells its property as a collective. Instead of each team trying to get what they can out of Nike/Adidas/Puma/etc., the league sells it's merchandising deal as a whole to Nike and each team shares in that revenue.

It stabilizes the finances of each club, and eliminating relegation protects every clubs' values from catastrophe. Similar to a labor union, the bargaining power of the collective is greater than the individual. The PL does this with its broadcast agreements, and because of this became the richest league in the world.
 
Jaynola said:
Avram Grant and Bobby Di Matteo once won big things with the Chavs iirc...didn't make them elite managers and they rightly got the sack soon after
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Come on, look at the players those managers had at Chelsea, proven winners, culture of success, owners that bought their way to success

This club is not built to win anything, the current players have shown no sign of having the balls to win anything, just look at the forward players we have, probably the worst set of attackers we've had at the club since 1997...... yes the league form has been unacceptable but it will be a miracle if Ange manages to win a trophy with this lot. Doesn't make him elite but no need to disrespect what would be a big achievement at this moment in the clubs history.
 
Carragher going pretty easy on him in MNF but he did say we looked like and under 18s team where it didn’t matter if we won yesterday and he kind of repeated that. Petit said he feels sorry for spurs fans, we aren’t the team we should be.
 
The Mercurial No.10 said:
Fucking sack him already.

Either he has incriminating evidence on the board or more likely there's probably some clause that if they do it after a certain date they have to pay him off less money or something...maybe Ange asked for a clause that they can't sack him while he's still got a chance of winning a trophy after what they did to Jose.
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I think that Munn and Ange have successfully conned Levy into thinking that injuries are the reason we are shit.

If Levy knew anything about football he would have sacked Ange at HT yesterday. The way he set the team up in that first half was even worse than Nuno away at Woolwich (also 3-0), total football ignorance. But he doesn’t know anything about football, so here we are.
 
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