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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Vicario

Porro——-Romero——-VVD——-Udogie
Spence———Dragusin——-????———Davies
Bentancur
———Bissouma——Maddison
Bergval———Grey———-Sarr
Kulu————-Solanke————Son
Johnson——-?????——-Oddbod
Werner
———???????——-Moore

Davies and Moore are one game back, but had been unavailable for weeks.I have never seen an injury list at Spurs like this in all my time, that I can remember. And this is a fucking meh team/squad to start with.

As I’ve said before, I’m ambivalent about Ange being sacked or not, don’t mind if he’s given to the end of the season, but if there’s someone good who’ll come in, don’t mind that either, but I really don’t know what people expect from a) this squad b) what’s left of this squad.

No matter who comes in.
Johnson out for 4 weeks too.
 
Lewis will sell either when the Super League is active or when the coffin is nailed shut on the Super League (my guess is the latter never occurs as the former is inevitable).

The Super League is the next great explosion in (some) football clubs' values. Currently, despite being the world's most popular game, there are only 6 clubs more valuable than the least valuable NFL team (Bayern, Madrid, Barca, Liverpool, United, City). The football clubs continue to fall further behind, and are now being overtaken by the NBA with 3 NBA teams more valuable than the richest football club, Madrid. There are 8 nFL teams more valuable than Madrid, and that number increases every year.

The structure of football inhibits the growth of clubs' values, which is why the monied interests behind the game want a change. A fixed structure Super League would catapult those clubs'values into the stratosphere, similar to the way the PL international TV and commercialization deals ballooned values (the first big wave ENIC benefitted from).

As members of an operational Super League, THFC would likely be worth £6-10B. That's double or more than the £3B it's currently worth.

With that sort of bubble on the horizon, there's no chance ENIC sell.
NFL /MLB / NBA is make more revenue because its in the United States.
The sports there is also operated differently from Europe. Most leagues in the US have about 20 to 30 teams max with no relegations. All teams also have salary caps and the revenue (Like TV deals) is split evenly between teams.
So the US team owners actually make money off of their ownership win or lose... while as European football owners lose money if they are not winning. So its natural that they are worth more.

Creating a super league wouldn't overcome the US. Their market itself is just larger than the whole EU combined and basketball/baseball is getting more popular around the world.
 
We know that when we have been cooking under Ange, we have been excellent, and you could certainly see the foundations of a title challenge in the next couple of years.

BUT, once again, as momentum builds the board once again fails to back the manager.

After losing Kane; and still managing the finish 5th, despite a season littered with injuries - we lose experienced players in Skipp, Royal, Dier, Holjberg, Perisic - and replace them with Grey, Yang, Odobert, Solanke, Bergvall. 4 x 18 years olds and a striker who is bang average.

With our history of injuries - why on earth did well sell arguably our leader and best player last season in Holjberg????? A man that has never been injured. A warrior. Yet we kept Bentencaur who has a serious knee injury that will likely mean he never really plays at a decent level again; and Bissouma who plays every game like its a kickabout with his mates down the local park.

So, either the club acknowledges that we will be shite for 3-4 years whilst these kids learn how to play football; or they are entirely inept.

ANGE and his system can only be judged when he has the players available. Grey, Bergvall, Sarr, Dragusin, Moore, Odobert aren't ready to be starters. They should be getting minutes in cups, or off the bench. Not starting games. It's no accident that Liverpool don't have anyone under 21 in their squad; and their matchday squad is typically all 24+ with 1 kid rotated.

The experienced players in our squad are Richy, Solanke, Maddison, Bissouma, Kulu, Son and Romero. All but Kulu are in torrid form and none of them are leaders.

Yes Hojbjerg shouldn't have been sold without being properly replaced but I'm certain Ange didn't just let him go. I'm sure Hojbjerg sensed or was outright told he'd be unwanted and/or on the fringes this season.
 
NFL /MLB / NBA is make more revenue because its in the United States.
The sports there is also operated differently from Europe. Most leagues in the US have about 20 to 30 teams max with no relegations. All teams also have salary caps and the revenue (Like TV deals) is split evenly between teams.
So the US team owners actually make money off of their ownership win or lose... while as European football owners lose money if they are not winning. So its natural that they are worth more.

Creating a super league wouldn't overcome the US. Their market itself is just larger than the whole EU combined and basketball/baseball is getting more popular around the world.
That’s all valid but there is a reason our big clubs are courted and now owned by Americans. They recognise the investment potential of football as a sport hasn’t been fully realised.
The likes of Glazer, FSG, Boehly, Kroenke are all here because they think we can monetise more from the PL than we already do. A lot more.
 
That’s all valid but there is a reason our big clubs are courted and now owned by Americans. They recognise the investment potential of football as a sport hasn’t been fully realised.
The likes of Glazer, FSG, Boehly, Kroenke are all here because they think we can monetise more from the PL than we already do. A lot more.
Yes, but the problem is, what are the consequences of it?
Obviously, the rich don't care shit about what fans think or the league left behind.
The aftermath of big clubs leaving home leagues to create a new one can either destroy the remaining clubs behind or the super league fails miserably... what after?
 
Let's have it right...say we win the EL and/or Carabao Cup...and that's a big fucking if already.

Well Ange would still be a fucking joke of a manager/coach and still should be nowhere near the Spurs job. I say that now and I'd say it then.

You win one/two trophies and you're still utter shite at your job in most people's eyes. Says it all about that dumpling.

Avram Grant and Bobby Di Matteo once won big things with the Chavs iirc...didn't make them elite managers and they rightly got the sack soon after.

If he wins 2 trophies in one season, he’s the best Spurs manager in the Premier League era.

Sport is about winning, not what Jaynola on TFC forum thinks are “good tactics”.
 
NFL /MLB / NBA is make more revenue because its in the United States.
The sports there is also operated differently from Europe. Most leagues in the US have about 20 to 30 teams max with no relegations. All teams also have salary caps and the revenue (Like TV deals) is split evenly between teams.
So the US team owners actually make money off of their ownership win or lose... while as European football owners lose money if they are not winning. So its natural that they are worth more.

Creating a super league wouldn't overcome the US. Their market itself is just larger than the whole EU combined and basketball/baseball is getting more popular around the world.
You said it right there in the 3rd sentence. That's the end state of the Super League. A closed structure with 20-30 teams and all the world's best players, streaming live globally, untethered from national pyramids.

That's what vaults (those) football clubs' values over any other professional sports endeavor. That's what ENIC, FSG, The Friedkin Group (Everton), Kroenke, Glazers/INEOS, etc. are working towards.

I don't want it. You don't want it. But several hundred years of historic record of capitalist systems makes me inclined to believe that the billionaires will eventually get what they want. Football won't be some magical line in the sand we make a stand on and defeat the global capitalist scourge.


And, yes, the NFL and NBA are growing in global popularity. That's even more reason why these people want the Super League. They don't measure the growth of their assets merely in isolated value - they measure it relative to comparable properties (i.e. NFL/NBA teams).

They're not looking at it as though THFC has gained $2.7B ($514M - $3.2B) in value over the past 10 years, they look at it as though they lost £2.3B of value to the Los Angeles Clippers ($575M - $5.5B) in the past 10 years. They're looking at the NBA and considering why a sport with less than 20% as much global support is rapidly outpacing the growth of their investments in the world's most popular sport. And they're going to take the lessons from those observations and apply them to their own market.
 
Whatever happens it’s gonna cost Levy money, there’s no other way

Sack Ange and co - costs Levy money

Appoint a new manager and backroom staff - costs Levy money

Keeps Ange and supports him with new players - costs Levy money

Appoints a new manager and backroom staff and buys him new players - costs Levy money

Relegation - costs Levy money

This is going to be a very interesting transfer window and couple of weeks
 
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