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Transfers January Transfer Thread 24/25

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JimothyCF14 said:
The only reason we're now desperate is because the summer window was so shoddy, and the recruitment team should have been working around the clock from the moment the summer window shut up til January 1st trying to identify targets to try and rectify that. We let senior pros go and only bought in one. Gray and Bergvall are great, they're going to be massive, but it's not fair to expect two 18 year olds to be the answer. Yes it's harder in January but not impossible, but sometimes the club just acts like it is impossible; the people with recruitment responsibilites need to earn their wages just like anyone else.

Yes, the injury list is chronic but even with everyone fully fit we should have been identifying targets to improve the team. We shouldn't just be looking for players to cover for injury, we should be looking for players to improve the starting XI so I'm not buying any excuse which involves our injured players coming back. We need more competition not just short term bodies.

Some January incomings take ages to settle, but not all. Deki and Bentancur may not have set the world alight in their first match if I recall but quickly became a key part of us finishing 4th that season.
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Completely agree with all of it. And I think it is fair to note that the club has been active, probably more to than most in recent January windows brining in the likes of Bentancur, Deki, Porro, Dragusin, Werner.

So I don't buy that we don't know how to do it or won't do it.... cos we can and have and I see no reason why we wouldn't for the right player.

I personally don't want another stop gap or punt and to blast the squad with more players that we just need to get rid of.

It's a balance and there is no easy solution IMHO
 
scarletjim said:
I've read the first 20% or so, think that's enough to say that:

- This article does not belong in the transfer thread, it belongs in the ENIC / Levy thread.
- It is very obviously written in a wildly biased manner from someone who has opinions similar to your own, hence obviously you would love it - that's just echo chamber, it doesn't say or prove anything new. Can you really not see that?
- Naturally I would challenge much of what it says, and the conclusions it draws, but not in a way that would add anything new to the same conversations that have already happened thousands of times between hundreds of different people in the appropriate thread for it.

There you go, my thoughts as requested. :)

PS If you really want to discuss it in detail, I'd be happy to do that with you privately where the masses won't keep injecting with irrelevance - but if I recall, I offered you a good faith private conversation about 'all things ENIC' several years ago and you agreed to it on the forum, but then blocked me from messaging you. That offer still stands, and always will. I am always willing to accept that others have different opinions to mine, and I will always respect theirs if they respect mine, therefore am always happy to exchange and discuss differing views. :)
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Echo chamber is a pretencious way of saying "most people agree".

When everything was on the up with poch and people complained about lack of backing in a room full of people saying "stop being so negative we are building"....was that an echo chamber then?
 
Hotspurpaul said:
Our new back four.....
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They sure are experienced!

Chuck Norris Thumbs Up GIF
 
scarletjim said:
I'm not sure where I sit in the debate that you and dudu dudu are having. I guess it depends partly on what we mean by 'desperate' - bookies odds are normally at least relatively representative of reality, and you can currently get over 50/1 on us being relegated, so no one objective seriously thinks that is likely to happen... So whilst we all obviously want to improve, what specifically are we actually trying to do (or avoid)?

I ask because dudu dudu asks some very relevant questions. Assuming permanent long-term deals just to fill gaps for another 4-6 weeks makes little sense* , then we need to find loans to do a job for 4-6 weeks. There are a couple of obvious problems with that: Firstly, we would need to find players who are up for that, i.e. comfortable that they will have to push to keep a place after that, with the odds firmly stacked against them; then secondly, of course those loan players would need to come in and make an immediate impact, there is no point if it will take them 3 months to get up to speed, learn the system etc. That may indeed be possible - as already mentioned, VdV came in and was excellent immediately (though that was coming into a settled team...) - but it may be that 3 loans come in and, because they are not yet up to speed etc, they actually make us even worse (and before anyone says it, yes that is absolutely possible, terrible as our results have been this season, we've hardly ever been battered). So I do think we need to think about what is realistic and will genuinely improve us in the short term without being a noose around our necks in the long term...

* obviously if we were to sign someone who is good enough to play regularly permanently then great, but I don't think that's what the two of you are discussing.
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Good post.

I will come to it later.
 
Can’t remember who but someone mentioned that we’re close to the limit of foreign players . This could be a factor when trying to get players in.
 
John Thomas said:
Wow!!!
What a fantastic article. Pulls no punches and states the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Every Spurs fan should be forced to read through every word. And some then need to take a cold, hard look at themselves.

Airfixx Airfixx , scarletjim scarletjim , Top_Spur Top_Spur etc... a penny for your thoughts?
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Serious questions (which you almost certainly won’t answer) - why do you care what those three posters think? What difference will it make to you and your life?

Can you not just accept some people may not agree with you?
 
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dudu said:
We are desperate - but acting desperate is surely going to make things worse -

Do we really want to just buy stop gaps that, once our first teamers return will just be sat taking a wage? If not we have to consider loans but players will have to decide if that is what they want to do too.

Honestly, I have no idea what the answer is - buying 3 players to fill in until our first teamers get fit.... will that do a thing? Porro didn't settle for 6 months here - other players have come in and settled straight away like VDV but he had a fit Romero and Udogie next to him.
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I’d suggest the answer is getting a top quality DM that will lead the side for years to come. An experienced international with ambition to be the very best.

Add in a couple of loans to fluff up the squad and we should be fine.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Serious questions (which you almost certainly won’t answer) - why do you care what those three posters think? What difference will it make to you and your life?

Can you not just accept some people may not agree with you?
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No, he can't.
Him and his sycophants are like Jehovah's Witnesses. They keep on showing up on your doorstep even after you tell them to go away.
They are not content to huddle together in their Kingdom Hall (ENIC thread) but are determined to drive the rest of us mad in the transfer thread and player threads and any other thread they organise to take over.
They are obsessed.
 
We just aren't in for players that will cost much in wages are we.

Solanke we signed because his wages were low.

We are never signing the likes of Eze, Cunha etc because we won't compete on wages.

I don't think we will sign another top talent under Levy. It's just going to be youngsters and players we can pick up from clubs where their salaries are low and they can fit into our budget.
 
scarletjim said:
Why are there so many people on this thread who are 'shocked' / 'amazed' / 'in disbelief' that we've not made signings this month? How many January windows do you have to go through before you understand that this is the norm, we never buy lots of players in January, no one does, no one ever has or ever will, and an injury crisis won't make any difference to that, never has and never will. So whilst it might be disappointing, it's not 'shocking' at all - a shock is by definition something you weren't expecting - given all the criticism of the owners on this forum, how can the same people be 'shocked' when the owners act exactly as those people say they always act. :/
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That’s actually not strictly correct. How long have you been a Spurs fan?

Remember the dark days of January 2009?
 
AberdeenYid said:
I’d suggest the answer is getting a top quality DM that will lead the side for years to come. An experienced international with ambition to be the very best.

Add in a couple of loans to fluff up the squad and we should be fine.
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Agreed - the DM position is so important and it's clear we cannot rely on any of our current options there right now and yes very much to the experience and leadership that comes with it,
 
Kane you believe it said:
Echo chamber is a pretencious way of saying "most people agree".

When everything was on the up with poch and people complained about lack of backing in a room full of people saying "stop being so negative we are building"....was that an echo chamber then?
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You're missing my point... which is that the article is not saying anything that hasn't already been discussed in the ENIC thread (where this conversation very obviously belongs). Tottenham Massive Tottenham Massive posts it as though it is some amazing revelation that will have us all saying "oh right, great points made, now we agree with you", but it's not saying anything new. I've actually read it all now, and for me it's a mixture of arguements already discussed many times, mixed in with lots of utter nonsense and the usual hyperbole. It's an article written for people who already agreed with everything it is saying before they read it, so they can now (like JT) go "ooh wow look at this amazing article" - as though it is somehow ground-breaking - but in reality it adds nothing new to the long-standing debate, it just echoes things already said.
 
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