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my memories fucking shot.
Nice stadium and training ground though.
Brand is growing globally.
What more can we ask for as fans?
Yes sorry you were right.
Meh, maybe you're right, maybe I'm reading more into it than people mean too. The post I originally responded said:
Superb post, nailed it in just a couple of paragraphs. We have been told that winning is hard, yet Newcastle has shown us with ambition aligned with a good coach and signings, what can be achieved, winning isn't that hard.
As subsequently explained, I have a few issues with that:
1. Whilst some idiots think it's funny or clever to claim otherwise, winning is hard, and anyone who says otherwise is simply incapable of understanding very obvious statistics and historical records of all the teams involved in competitions versus those that are consistently successful.
2. That post did seem to imply to me that the cup final win is the thing that differentiates us from them. However I do accept that it doesn't specifically say that, so perhaps that's an assumption I shouldn't have made.
3. If he's not talking about the cup final when he says "...what can be achieved", I would argue they haven't achieved a great deal else yet. We are constantly being told on here that "finishing 4th is nothing to be proud of or aim for and doesn't show ambition", and in any case it's not as though they've done that year after year yet, so it's a bit early in my opinion to be applauding their achievements. It's all just very premature.
You say "If Newcastle had done nothing since takeover but just won a random cup, nobody would be claiming them as a shining example of ambition" - but yet someone mentions Wigan a few posts later, so yes people absolutely are doing that, or at least drawing a comparison based on a single trophy win. You in fact! :/
I have no problem with anyone saying that Newcastle look to be moving in the right direction, that they seem to have more ambition than us right now, etc. I do have a problem with anyone saying that Newcastle (or indeed Wigan) are better than us simply because they won a final whereas we've lost several in recent years (which is what I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that was being implied in the post I initially responded to). That is not what differentiates us from them. That was my point.
Apologies by the way if I was a bit rude earlier, I was frustrated because multiple posters were criticising me for things I wasn't saying, but perhaps I did the same to others, plus anyway it's no excuse - my bad.
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It’s like that great card in Community Chest in Monopoly.
“You have won second prize in a beauty contest… collect £10”.
If Levy had any ambition to win football matches Ange would be gone by now.
Firing Ange and hiring an interim will cost him money so he will not do it. It has nothing to do with injuries or a fucking project.
Spurs supporters are now living in a surreal world where they continue to turn up to matches, expecting to concede huge amounts of chances and goals, but are requested to get behind the 'project' and the team by the guy who the senior players are no longer listening to.
The vast majority of Spurs supporters no longer believe in this nonsense in my opinion. Belief in Ange is about as solid as belief in the tooth fairy.
I believe there is now a consensus of supporters who cannot see Spurs getting beyond the semi final of the Europa, under Ange and his tactics.
Supporting the team, while Spurs have a manager in a seemingly untenable position, without the genuine support of many senior players, who appear to be paying lip service to Ange when interviewed but their performances tell you something else, is becoming increasingly futile.
This is Levy cheaping it out until Spurs are knocked out of the Europa League. It needs to be called out.
We all know Ange will not be here next season but are expected to go through the motions like the players who no longer believe in the project.
ENiC and Levy are allowing reputational damage to the football club by neglecting to remove their terrible choice of manager for THFC.
It's an all time low from Levy as chairman.
Pay attention to the podcasters who are still towing the company line and suggesting Ange should not be sacked despite his pitiful performance.
Levy's hired and fired 4 consecutive duds since sacking his most successful manager Poch.
Giving the Spurs supporters a credible belief in winning the Europa League is the minimum requirement from any Spurs chairman at this point of Ange's tenure.
Watching Spurs failing, aiming low under ENIC, has never felt this bad.
Watching our games is now a bit like watching this;
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218
Firing Ange and hiring an interim will cost him money so he will not do it. It has nothing to do with injuries or a fucking project.
Spurs supporters are now living in a surreal world where they continue to turn up to matches, expecting to concede huge amounts of chances and goals, but are requested to get behind the 'project' and the team by the guy who the senior players are no longer listening to.
The vast majority of Spurs supporters no longer believe in this nonsense in my opinion. Belief in Ange is about as solid as belief in the tooth fairy.
I believe there is now a consensus of supporters who cannot see Spurs getting beyond the semi final of the Europa, under Ange and his tactics.
Supporting the team, while Spurs have a manager in a seemingly untenable position, without the genuine support of many senior players, who appear to be paying lip service to Ange when interviewed but their performances tell you something else, is becoming increasingly futile.
This is Levy cheaping it out until Spurs are knocked out of the Europa League. It needs to be called out.
We all know Ange will not be here next season but are expected to go through the motions like the players who no longer believe in the project.
ENiC and Levy are allowing reputational damage to the football club by neglecting to remove their terrible choice of manager for THFC.
It's an all time low from Levy as chairman.
Pay attention to the podcasters who are still towing the company line and suggesting Ange should not be sacked despite his pitiful performance.
Levy's hired and fired 4 consecutive duds since sacking his most successful manager Poch.
Giving the Spurs supporters a credible belief in winning the Europa League is the minimum requirement from any Spurs chairman at this point of Ange's tenure.
Watching Spurs failing, aiming low under ENIC, has never felt this bad.
Watching our games is now a bit like watching this;
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218
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Can’t stand Levy but it’s not about money IMO
Agreed. Unless there is a very odd binary clause in Ange's contract that means there is a huge delta between sacking him now and sacking him after exit from EL or end of season.
Up until recently there was a large portion of the fan base that was still strongly in favor of keeping Postecoglou. I suspect that influenced the team's thinking. "We fire this guy and then they blame us for not backing him." He's a divisive figure. His personality and attitude is the same with Spurs it has been everywhere else he's been and it isn't going to change.
Exactly
Levy will pull the trigger at the most beneficial and optimum time for.........Levy himself
Ange is also taking the majority of the heat from the regular ENIC Out crowd atm. As soon as he's gone, the pressure focuses in only one place.
indeed.
squad is still playing for him/ he's still in a cup competition/ he's had a hefty excuse in terms of the amount of and length of injury to key players/ there's no one good available until the summer
We always talk about who the next manager will be, but maybe the question is what they will be. What would work best at Spurs just now? Older, younger. Outgoing, reserved. Innovative or adaptable. Relies on veterans, good with young players. Established track record or on the way up. Attacking, defensive, somewhere in between. I'm almost inclined to believe what Spurs need if they do replacement Ange (which I'm not sure they will) is a boring manager personality wise who will be respected by players and fans and can work with the players who are here already and not need "his players" to succeed. Someone who gets a days work out of the players for a days wages.
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I think that to be a long term success/long term stay at Spurs as a manager you need to be adaptable in the sense that you can adapt your football based on the players available. We are willing to spend money but we are not willing to spend on out and out established world class stars with any regularity. Our focus is going to be on young, develop-able players with the odd veteran sprinkled in. So you need to be able to improve players and adapt the tactics and style based on the players.
That's why early Poch worked. He was a fantastic player developer.
All PL clubs have decent training facilities now (apart from West Ham) so I dont think it is as much of a pull for a player as it once was.