Agreed on this. It's been a little irritating watching journos reveal EXCLUSIVE and BREAKING news that Ange is not going to be here next season as if it's some sort of surprise. "But what if he wins Europa??!!". No, he's done. We despise him, now fuck off and write something on Spurs only when you have half a clue what you are talking about.
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Which is precisely why we need to 'get lucky' with a so-called unfashionable manager like Iraola/Franck...
Someone who CAN get more with less, and improve the sum of our parts.
Mourinho & Conte were superstar Hollywood A-List managers asked to perform at a regional Pantomime.. they were always gonna demand more!
Scott Parker is a decent shout ONE day (although there's summit a bit odd about him... I just can't put my finger on it! He reminds me of a cult leader....)
But if his style of football at Burnley is anything to go by, we'll be getting another Nuno ...
Franck or Iraola for me .. At least Iraola would know how to get the best out of Solanke!!
You can't really pose that question without fleshing it out with the cup/league performances for each scenario though.
If you said whilst finishing 2nd in the League we would be knocked out of every cup competition at the first hurdle, then maybe it becomes a difficult hypothetical. But then what is the League performance whilst winning these 12 cups? Finishing 17th every year? Then no, it's not worth 80% of the games you watch your team in being a dismal experience.
Plus, over an extended period of time, you also have to apply some basic logic. If a side is good enough to be finishing 2nd in the league consistently, then the chances that they will win a cup is increased. Meanwhile, if the side is so poor they can only just about avoid relegation, then they aren't going to be much of a threat in the cups.
This season is an absolute freak, only enabled by the fact that Europa has a pretty easy format for getting to the knockouts, and has seen a very favourable run to the Semis, largely due to the lack of CL dropouts in this new format.
We won't have that luxury next season, because we either won't be in Europe at all, or because we'll be playing CL calibre teams in the actual CL.
Winning the Europa would in no way excuse this season's League performance, or justify it. We should have been able to negotiate our way to the latter stages whilst also being able to at the very least be in the top half in the League.
None of them as prestigious as the Double.
This is nonsense. We had a great 11 and decent to middling subs when Poch was here.
The fact that he got us so close to winning the league with piss poor squad investment is a significant achievement in itself - and IMO did more for the club long-term than the unlikely event of Ange winning the Europa will do, in spite of Bald Cunt's priorities.
He made that squad too, most of them players were either not performing or not playing before Pochettino got there
Core of the team that season in minutes played.
Eriksen
Dier
Alli
Wanyama
Lloris.
All 5 played over 3000 minutes.
How much did those 5 cost combined? Same as one Davinson Sanchez? Less?
The magic in a bottle Levy has been looking for ever since.
(And the amount of shit that Dier gets from our fans too. He was key to how we played that season)
I think you probably remember the moment, not the season - the question was which is seen as a better season between the two.
But fair enough if you put isolated moments above a season, I personally prefer the 4-5 years of Poch ball, everything that came with it and having a team who we were proud of that could go toe to toe with anyone.
What do you care? You'll be gone with AngeLOSS.
60 plus million Ndombele
60 million Solanke.
Johnson and VanDer Ven 40 million plus
whoever else.
Good post but cheapskate.is rubbish.
It won't be Parker.
Poch's genius move (IIRC) was making big but dodgy dressing room influencers Adebayor and Kaboul key players at the start, letting them fail, and then freezing them out so that he could properly get his ideas across to players who bought into what he wanted from a team to be successful without too much of an internal war.
16-18 + the 19 Champions League has been the best Spurs have been to watch since the 80's
You have to drill down to the bare basics of what football is. It's a spectator sport. Without spectators there's no money and the business falls apart. You lose spectators if the product is not good.
Some fans like to proclaim it's about the style of the football, not the results. But that's clearly bollocks as many of those voices have finally figured out that, without a defence, you get beat a lot. And getting beat is worse than winning ugly.
Poch had a 54% win ratio at Spurs. More to the point, he only had 24% loss ratio. AngeLOSS is at 38% from far less games. Poch also had games against Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Dortmund, Ajax, etc where we won in style or got vital draws.
AngeLOSS.
Fucking Ipswich. Leicester. Wolves (over and over) etc. The man is a joke.
Players like Dier can look useful when surrounded by quality. Same as Winks did for a while.
But when that quality dips a bit, they can't hide anymore.
I was onto Dier when fans were raving about him. He was error prone at his best but got bailed out by good defenders and Lloris very often.
Just because we won and/or kept cleansheets, didn't mean Dier had played well.
Agree with all that but Leicester got help with fixtures etc as it was their fairy tale in front of their happy clapper fans and so pleased they’re going down but they still beat us this season!
Coming back to the Poch era I used to really look forward to every game as we were so good to watch until the wheels fell off after the CL final!
So much better than this turgid shite we’re getting now!
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Agreed but anything can happen in a one off game!
2016/17 - Peak Poch, undefeated at home all season, 4 defeats away from home, finished second on 86 points.
knocked out of league cup in the 4th round at Anfield
knocked out of fa cup by chelsea in semi final
Failed to qualify from CL group - knocked out of Europa immediately by Gent
apart from FA cup we were pretty shocking outside the league. It really does seem like you have aim to win a cup or you aim to win the league/secure top 4 for a lot of clubs
I think if we were in the race for top 4 right now we'd have been knocked out by Frankfurt or AZ already
You were onto Dier? What the fuck are you talking about?
Him and Wanyama bossed that midfield and Dier moving into defence to make a 3 kept us tight in defence.
You’re a little bit mental.
ENIC/Levy have invested £194m of their money since 2001. This is aprox £8m per season.
HOWEVER - £100m of that £194m is what was spent from the £150m raised in 2022 whereby "only" £100m was spent. That wasn't actually ENIC money, it was from shares.
£94m / 24 years is aprox £3.9m per season of owner investment.
For comparison. Black Knight Football, a consortium led by Bill Foley bought Bournemout in 2022 and have invested £213m in that time.
So tell me again how ENIC aren't cheap.