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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Richard Arlison said:
Yes, if they don't win, then they failed.

In every sport, every participant bar 1 failed. That's how it works.

Some failures feel better than others, i.e. getting a medal at the Olympics, especially if you were an underdog to start with.

But second place is the first loser, whether anyone likes it or not.
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I'd disagree, success/failure depends on what your goal is at the beginning.

If Ipswich had avoided relegation this season, would they have failed because they didn't win the title?

For us, when we finished 2nd, was the expectation that we would win the League? I don't think anybody would have suggested so, there would have been a hope, but not expectation. So was mounting a title challenge a failure? You can say that expectations can change during the season, but we didn't lead the table during that challenge, so I'm not sure at what point the expectation could/would/should have been adjusted.

I've written "expectation" too much there...

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Slav said:
This is nonsense. We had a great 11 and decent to middling subs when Poch was here.

The fact that he got us so close to winning the league with piss poor squad investment is a significant achievement in itself - and IMO did more for the club long-term than the unlikely event of Ange winning the Europa will do, in spite of Bald Cunt's priorities.
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Only reason we won nothing under Poch is cause he wasn't backed right by the bald tumor. It's as if some forgot he got no new signings for 18 months.

Prerty much the same can be said about Redknapp.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not for me.

Winning is winning. All you get for coming 2nd is the feeling of what ifs and if onlys

There’s no escaping that Sport is about winning.
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It’s all relative. How is winning a League Cup or the Conference the same level as being second in hardest league in the world or last four of the hardest club tournament in the world? If we want club to gain prestige and respect as a top club it’s PL and CL where you earn it
 
Kaz Hirai said:
its a temporary insanity because the season up to now has been so bad and the hate for the manager is potent.

no one will remember or care about finishing 2nd under poch 10 years from now. however spurs fans and the club itself will remember and celebrate a Europa league Trophy win in Spain 40+ years from now
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Exactly what I’ve been saying!

Finishing 16th is awful, dreadful. But if we win the Europa I won’t be thinking about a league finish in 10 years time.
 
Gatsby said:
Exactly. All this "next season will be relegation" and "this squad isn't good enough" is total bollocks. New manager with tactical know how and we'll be back up there.
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Back up where? Mid table... great... this squad isn't good enough and unless reinforcements arrive next season we will be marginally better due to new manager hopefully being more of a pragmatist. If you think this squad is top six, I'll have some of what you're smoking!!!
 
Herclueless said:
I'd disagree, success/failure depends on what your goal is at the beginning.

If Ipswich had avoided relegation this season, would they have failed because they didn't win the title?

For us, when we finished 2nd, was the expectation that we would win the League? I don't think anybody would have suggested so, there would have been a hope, but not expectation. So was mounting a title challenge a failure? You can say that expectations can change during the season, but we didn't lead the table during that challenge, so I'm not sure at what point the expectation could/would/should have been adjusted.

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Shadydan said:
It's true if you're ignoring context and expectation i suppose but then I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that...
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It's not ignoring any context or expectations.

It's dealing with the facts. the context and expectations you are mentioning are convenient ways to distract from the fact that sport is about winning.

Sure, we all understand that Burnley aren't going to win the PL the season they are promoted but what is the point in getting promoted to the PL if the goal isn't to eventually win it?

If they avoid relegation they have achieved an objective on their path to winning the PL. if their only objective is to be in the PL then what's the fucking point?
 
Hampshire Spur said:
Player of the year
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Jeff Goldblum What GIF by The Late Late Show with James Corden
 
Lancelot Link said:
It’s all relative. How is winning a League Cup or the Conference the same level as being second in hardest league in the world or last four of the hardest club tournament in the world? If we want club to gain prestige and respect as a top club it’s PL and CL where you earn it
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We already gained that supposed prestige under Poch, where did that get us? Are we respected as a club for it? Not sure about you but I don't feel like I support a club that is respected.

If we'd won a league cup and a Europa League during the Poch years but never made that CL Final we'd be much better off for it right now. Especially in terms of respect.
 
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