I mean you don't have to imagine, I'm already reading comments by the usual idiots saying this.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I mean you don't have to imagine, I'm already reading comments by the usual idiots saying this.
That's ur opinion should be gone...more than likely majority agree with u but how many times can we change manager until realise doesn't work...we could appoint any title winning manager and it wouldn't make one bit of difference...I agree not good enough this season and should be sacked if wasn't for EL but is CL next year and trophy better than finishing 6th or 7th continually?...position in league is embarrassing and can't happen again but if win EL I think give him first 5 games no change then needs to leave
You’re right in the sense that we can’t keep being on the same cycle, but two things can be true. We can try to break a cycle, whilst also realising that we need a better manager in place first off to help us break that.
I disagree that appointing any title winning manager wouldn’t make a difference. Any half decent premier league level manager would have this squad, as it is today, higher than the position it’s currently in. This squad may not be the greatest but it isn’t the worst team outside of the relegation places which is where we basically are currently.
If you brought back any of our last 4 or 5 managers they would have this exact squad higher, because they’re better managers (by a long way) than Ange is. Just the change in tactics, mentality, set up, play style, all of it would have us higher.
There is also no reason this squad can’t consistently qualify for Europe AND win trophies. It doesn’t have to be a choice between 6th/7th OR win something.
Levy needs to go and we need to change a lot at board level, but the easiest fix is get a premier league level manager in and start on the pitch whilst everything else is being worked on (Levy and co will take longer).
He’s proven over more than a season that he isn’t good enough for the Premier league, and giving Ange five games most likely just means we are five games off of where we want to be from the outset next season. It also means that managers have moved about and got new clubs, and we have to look at the pool of out of work managers or second choices again. It’s just not worth it. He’s proven he’s not up to it at this specific level.
All credit to him if he wins the EL, but for me, it’s credit and then still separate, long term we’re going no where consistently with him.
Can't disagree with most of what u said other than what did the last 4 or 5 managers achieve? Also it was Ange that assembled squad that they would supposedly turn us into winners...why didn't they do that?...being 5th and 6th every single year is no where near good enough...as said only my opinion and respect what ur saying
I mean it’s true, nothing they did actually got over the line - this is our club for years though right so they can all only really be used here to highlight that when it comes to it, Levy won’t give them what they need for that final push over the line. The board is clearly the main problem here.
Though I think it’s only fair to say that Poch finishing 2nd and consistently having us in the CL whilst also making a few semi’s and finals deserves credit, and we did it whilst playing attractive people and fans felt more connected to the club.
I’m not sure I understand your second bit, is it that Ange assembled a squad that SHOULD have turned us into winners?
Agree completely, 6th/7th every year isn’t good enough. However I think under the current ownership we will never have what we need to push for league titles, they don’t have the footballing ambition for it. However I do think that we, on the very least, should be capable to consistently finish in the CL or EL whilst picking up some league, FA, and EL trophies - that shouldn’t be beyond our reach at all.
Cash flow.
We’ve a lot of players bought on structured deals that now need paying for.
It's just frustrating and someone needs time to build something?...if its not Ange then at least another 2-3 years mid table under new manager...personally I would rather give him first few games next year only if win EL than start again and again and again
It doesn’t need to be an agenda. The teams in this years Europa are weaker because of the format change and the lack of teams dropping down from the Champions League.
How else would you explain United’s and our domestic league position and the chance both teams are likely to end up in the final?!
What’s idiotic is to think otherwise!
Pointing that out doesn’t mean we can’t celebrate should we win it.
Appreciate what you’re saying, agree in some respects. This squad is good enough now to be challenging for 8th - 10th, that of course isn’t good enough. However get a proper manager in this summer, really push for huge change at board level and give a proper, qualified footballing set up time. Most importantly, keep investing every year in pushing that set up, if it makes a final, fund it to win the following year, don’t decide to just celebrate making a final and decide we’re good as we are.
Hopefully we all get what we want here at some point!
Bodo had 59 % possession. That suggests a different tactical approach in this game from Postecoglou.
The Frankfurt tie could also have been completely killed in the first leg. That it wasn't is a reflection of the forwards who IMO are mid-table mediocre
Who gives a fuck about this if we win it, why does everything have to be a discourse about things we as a club have no control over, if we win it means we deserve to win - the mental gymnastics from people desperate to downplay anything we do in this competition is stupid and they are saying it because they don't like the manager, it's agenda driven tripe because those people don't want to give this manager any credit at all.
How about everyone just fucking enjoy it if it happens and leave the agendas at the door along with those people complaining about the agendas?
Maybe that’s in response to the people that post saying we should keep Ange if we win the Europa?
Under those circumstances you can see why people are giving reasons for getting as far as we have in the competition.
Maybe that’s in response to the people that post saying we should keep Ange if we win the Europa?
Under those circumstances you can see why people are giving reasons for getting as far as we have in the competition.
This is the post I originally replied to, he said this in the first para.
Manager - Ange Postecoglou
Winning the EL would be HUUUUGE, Massively, bigly HUGE. I couldn't give a fuck who we beat on the way. Me neither. We had the hardest draws possible in the league cup and went out late in the competition. To win the EL is a massive result for any club. Baffled why anyone would think any...
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Jogger Johnson meandering about - I could ping the ball around the back if he was trying to press
I'm very sorry to hear that the use of personal pronouns has been banned in Australia.
TBH I can see both perspectives & there’s very little to get het up about in either of your posts. Both can be true!This is the post I originally replied to, he said this in the first para.
Manager - Ange Postecoglou
Winning the EL would be HUUUUGE, Massively, bigly HUGE. I couldn't give a fuck who we beat on the way. Me neither. We had the hardest draws possible in the league cup and went out late in the competition. To win the EL is a massive result for any club. Baffled why anyone would think any...
I think a lot of fans are seriously worried that success in this competition will result in us doing a Tent Peg and keeping the manager on. It’s such a big concern that it is tainting the enjoyment we should all be getting from the cup run.
Some are so desperate to see the back of him that they just can’t acknowledge if he does get something right, so crediting him with team selection etc. just fans the flames.
I’m unsure whether selecting Richi was some managerial master stroke or whether he didn’t really have much option with Sonny out injured and Tel’s mixed form. Then there’s the substitutions which did seem a poor choice when what we could have benefited from was Sarr’s athleticism in helping to shore up the midfield.
My ideal scenario would be we win the Europa and then immediately part company, replacing Ange with someone more tactically astute.
Blokes not wrong. For all the people still defending Postecoglou this isn't what two years of coaching looks like.
Yeah it's absolute garbage argument from people tying themselves into knots so they don't have to give credit were it's due just in case we win it.
The Europa league was full of strong clubs like Frankfurt, porto, Lyon , Galatasaray, Lazio, Roma, ajax and athletic .
TBH, I think that's the view of 99.9% of the fan base now and no, I'm not one of the 0.1%.TBH I can see both perspectives & there’s very little to get het up about in either of your posts. Both can be true!
I think a lot of fans are seriously worried that success in this competition will result in us doing a Tent Peg and keeping the manager on. It’s such a big concern that it is tainting the enjoyment we should all be getting from the cup run.
Some are so desperate to see the back of him that they just can’t acknowledge if he does get something right, so crediting him with team selection etc. just fans the flames.
I’m unsure whether selecting Richi was some managerial master stroke or whether he didn’t really have much option with Sonny out injured and Tel’s mixed form. Then there’s the substitutions which did seem a poor choice when what we could have benefited from was Sarr’s athleticism in helping to shore up the midfield.
My ideal scenario would be we win the Europa and then immediately part company, replacing Ange with someone more tactically astute.
It's been the shittiest season in living memory, but we actually have a reasonable chance of having something special to celebrate. We pretty much all think we need to part ways regardless, but that really needs to be suspended for now and addressed after we see whether we manage to win it or not. If we do, thanks for the memory AP and good luck in your next role.
Whatever happens though, he's done here. A European trophy is a wonderful bonus, but that's all it is really. The league is the metric that you measure success in, and he's been an abject failure this season, we've regressed badly. I simply cannot see any way in which the board can look at what he's done here and see a light at the end of the tunnel under his management.
IMO he's gone regardless of whether we win it or not.