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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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better map that out on to 2026 as it has zero relevance, but appreciate the human propensity to look for patterns.
What is our league record (not counting any cup games) when we had our starting back 5 starting? (porro, romero, VdV, Udogie)?
If our form really does look different with our starting lineup, it may be enough to give him another shot at the can because of his cup performances.
Short leash and all that though.
Another point is who is actually available to take over for him? No reason to let him loose if we can't get someone better/experienced in.
If our form really does look different with our starting lineup, it may be enough to give him another shot at the can because of his cup performances.
Short leash and all that though.
Another point is who is actually available to take over for him? No reason to let him loose if we can't get someone better/experienced in.
so you acknowledge we have a makeshift midfield, and complain about fluidity... FMD.
It's catch 22.
Keep him and we start badly then it's an awful decision. Sack him and we start badly under a new manager and again it looks terrible to sack him after winning a trophy. Genuinely a really tough decision to make.
I mentioned about fluidity in relation to the league performances.
I have always maintained he must go regardless of the outcome of this final.
However, what I witnessed in the final, not just the result but more importantly the tactical setup to win us that game had swayed my opinion slightly.
It’s not even the fact that he won us a trophy and backed himself to do so, it’s knowing that he CAN adapt and that the players are fully behind him, that is something that cannot be ignored, he was every bit as responsible for that win as the players last night and it’s one of the very few times I have said that about him during his tenure.
It’s such a hard choice because the league form has been utterly shit and some of the things he has said and done have been frankly indefensible but I have to be honest and unbiased when I approach these things and not fall into the trap of emotional thinking.
I wouldn’t want to be in charge of making a decision about this.
However, what I witnessed in the final, not just the result but more importantly the tactical setup to win us that game had swayed my opinion slightly.
It’s not even the fact that he won us a trophy and backed himself to do so, it’s knowing that he CAN adapt and that the players are fully behind him, that is something that cannot be ignored, he was every bit as responsible for that win as the players last night and it’s one of the very few times I have said that about him during his tenure.
It’s such a hard choice because the league form has been utterly shit and some of the things he has said and done have been frankly indefensible but I have to be honest and unbiased when I approach these things and not fall into the trap of emotional thinking.
I wouldn’t want to be in charge of making a decision about this.
The ENIC Stockholm Syndrome is real.
Ange is a winner, proves it by getting our biggest trophy in 41 years, clearly is loved by players, but because of a freak season of injury and inept ownership not backing him (which he overcame to win said trophy) getting a bad league position he should go?
Feels like a loser mentality. Ange is the fucking man. He has delivered in his short two years with a shit squad both football we’ve craved since Poch (including this season, think 4-0 City before injury crisis) as well as the trophy Poch could never deliver.
Back him and we compete on multiple fronts next year.
Ange is a winner, proves it by getting our biggest trophy in 41 years, clearly is loved by players, but because of a freak season of injury and inept ownership not backing him (which he overcame to win said trophy) getting a bad league position he should go?
Feels like a loser mentality. Ange is the fucking man. He has delivered in his short two years with a shit squad both football we’ve craved since Poch (including this season, think 4-0 City before injury crisis) as well as the trophy Poch could never deliver.
Back him and we compete on multiple fronts next year.
Come on seriously. At end of Nov we had 19 points from 12 games tjat extrapolated to 60 points for the season.
Dec and Jan we had shocking injury run. But end of Feb we made as pragmatic a decision as last nights tactics ie we can’t make top 6, we’re not getting relegated so let’s concentrate EL to qualify for CL. If relegation was an issue we would’ve played best xi earlier and possibly finished mid table and no trophy.
Dec and Jan we had shocking injury run. But end of Feb we made as pragmatic a decision as last nights tactics ie we can’t make top 6, we’re not getting relegated so let’s concentrate EL to qualify for CL. If relegation was an issue we would’ve played best xi earlier and possibly finished mid table and no trophy.
Win the league. That’s very obviously his mentality.
If you think he’s afraid of failure, you haven’t been watching or listening. His “I always win in my second year” quote should be proof enough of that.
Remind me what Audere Est Facere translates to?
I'm pretty Ange out but if he is to stay I need him to accept that sometimes it's ok to play like last night in the league, and especially when we're playing Chelsea and we're down to 9 men.
Credit to him for realising we had to play Murderball and setting it up. Fair play.
The same season we lost our best ever striker and didn’t replace him?
I’d say he did pretty well then.
He's done a fantastic job winning the trophy last night. No doubt about it. We've fallen at the final hurdle with better sides and managers for too long. It's a huge achievement for the club, and himself.
But we've lost 25 games in all comps this season. Twenty five. It'll be 26 after Sunday because all our players won't give a shit after last night and/or it'll be a b side out. That's not good enough and I don't think we've looked like improving at all. My opinion hasn't changed, he has to go still. He doesn't deserve a third season.
But we've lost 25 games in all comps this season. Twenty five. It'll be 26 after Sunday because all our players won't give a shit after last night and/or it'll be a b side out. That's not good enough and I don't think we've looked like improving at all. My opinion hasn't changed, he has to go still. He doesn't deserve a third season.
We finally get a manager who:
1. Wants to play attacking football the Spurs way
2. Defends the club and takes personal responsibility for results and decisions
3. The players very clearly adore
4. Actually delivers a major trophy
And the day after winning our first major trophy in 17 years and biggest in 41, fans are still saying “thanks but time to go” because of a freak season compounded by the worst injury crisis in memory.
You reap what you sow.
1. Wants to play attacking football the Spurs way
2. Defends the club and takes personal responsibility for results and decisions
3. The players very clearly adore
4. Actually delivers a major trophy
And the day after winning our first major trophy in 17 years and biggest in 41, fans are still saying “thanks but time to go” because of a freak season compounded by the worst injury crisis in memory.
You reap what you sow.
We had massive injuries that season too.
His poor league form goes beyond this season. Extrapolated, it extends well into his first season, from game 11 onwards or so.
He got 108 points from 75 league games (after the first 10 of the first season). 33 wins, 33 losses, 9 draws. That's good for 1.44 per game, or 55 over a season.
Not good enough. His cup might win him a third chance, and that may be warranted. But we can't pretend he's had a terrible league run of form for the majority of two seasons.
It was much more of an achievement to bring Spurs to the CL final in 2019 even if they lost (against a prime Liverpool team) than winning the EL (or any domestic cup).
If winning the EL didn't include getting a spot in the CL it would not have been valued as much as it was. And UEFA had to include that CL-spot price for clubs to take the competition serious.
Losing 21 EPL such a pathetic way is not the sign of a winning team culture to be honest. But that's me.