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Management Ange Postecoglou

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PerthPaul said:
I really worry that if Ange stays on then it'll be a huge reality check next season.
We're all swept up in the emotion at the moment as you say. However when we have time to analyse it all properly we'll all acknowledge that it was far from a vintage performance. To have one shot on target and only one touch in the opposition box during the second half is extremely poor, especially against the worst Man Utd team in decades.

I'm not saying his tactics were wrong because on the night Ange set us up exactly how we need to be to win the game.
Play like that against CL teams and it'll be a horror show for us though.

I'm torn, I have so much respect for Ange, he's trying to create a respectful, family orientated, winning culture at Spurs. Something we desperately need to adopt, especially in our fanbase. I just don't know if he's the right tactician to lead us into the strongest club competition in the world.
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As wonderful as this feeling has been for us, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the European competitions are in fact a bonus. It is domestically where we need to demonstrate improvement, particularly now with the trophy drought monkey off our backs.

I wouldn't put to much emphasis on a shithoused cup final win. It was a set up focussed on getting over the line with the personnel we had available. The games leading up to the final were also more pragmatic, but they weren't shithoused, they were professional.

My hope is that we see this professional pragmatism a lot more in our domestic campaigns, my fear is that he won't.

Only time will tell, but that's for another time. Right now all I'm really interested in is enjoying the feeling of us being one of the Champions of Europe, and looking forward to facing whoever the other will be in the Super Cup.
 
I can’t help thinking back to the last manager who delivered us a trophy Juande Ramos in the League Cup in 2008. Even at the end of that season when he had only taken over in October from Martin Jol, there were rumblings as to whether he was the right man. 8 games into the following season, we were winless, 2 points from 24, we were bottom of the table and there was a parting of the ways.
 
Don Pedro said:
Be interesing to see how many of these accounts were on here celebrating our biggest win in over 40 years last night?

Might click though all the accounts to see their recent posting history. TBF I think Doom Funk Doom Funk and TonySoprano TonySoprano are good guys who mean well and just think Spurs will be better off once Ange leaves.

But some of the others are just so miserable that they probably didn't even enjoy the win lastnight because fans like me would be happy!
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I was on it all day and most of the night and was generally optimistic but admit to nearly shitting myself in the 7 minutes time added on at the end which went to 8 and a half!

But was delighted for the team and still buzzing today although nursing a hangover but the wardrobe in the spare room remained dry!!
 
rolling boh said:
I hope he goes but he leaves with a trophy and on a high .The league form for close to two seasons has been atrocious and the number of losses cannot be tolerated .I very much doubt we will do that much better in the league next season if he is in charge.
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That's the way I'm leaning, I can see the temptation in this moment to stick with him, but I also can't escape the feeling that the more time is passing, the less and less our squad looks like they know how to play football.

Even last night, and despite missing all of our creative minded midfielders, all it would have taken to extend the lead was a little bit of composure and some very basic passing to open them up. The one time we didn't resort to just hoofing it, we created an opening (Udogie to Solanke).

Every league game we just cede the initiative to the opposition, there is no fluidity to our play, this supposed swashbuckling Angeball side simply does not exist, and there's been no evidence of it for a long time.

For Ange to stay and see any kind of success in future, there need to be major changes behind the scenes, significantly with the coaching set up. I'm not sure I can see him going for that myself.
 
So Ange was able to adapt in the cup, winning us the trophy despite only managing 17th in the league.

Fuck it. Let's finish 17th again and win the Champions League next season.

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better map that out on to 2026 as it has zero relevance, but appreciate the human propensity to look for patterns.
Juno said:
I can’t help thinking back to the last manager who delivered us a trophy Juande Ramos in the League Cup in 2008. Even at the end of that season when he had only taken over in October from Martin Jol, there were rumblings as to whether he was the right man. 8 games into the following season, we were winless, 2 points from 24, we were bottom of the table and there was a parting of the ways.
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What is our league record (not counting any cup games) when we had our starting back 5 starting? (porro, romero, VdV, Udogie)?

If our form really does look different with our starting lineup, it may be enough to give him another shot at the can because of his cup performances.

Short leash and all that though.

Another point is who is actually available to take over for him? No reason to let him loose if we can't get someone better/experienced in.
 
Herclueless said:
That's the way I'm leaning, I can see the temptation in this moment to stick with him, but I also can't escape the feeling that the more time is passing, the less and less our squad looks like they know how to play football.

Even last night, and despite missing all of our creative minded midfielders, all it would have taken to extend the lead was a little bit of composure and some very basic passing to open them up. The one time we didn't resort to just hoofing it, we created an opening (Udogie to Solanke).

Every league game we just cede the initiative to the opposition, there is no fluidity to our play, this supposed swashbuckling Angeball side simply does not exist, and there's been no evidence of it for a long time.

For Ange to stay and see any kind of success in future, there need to be major changes behind the scenes, significantly with the coaching set up. I'm not sure I can see him going for that myself.
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so you acknowledge we have a makeshift midfield, and complain about fluidity... FMD.
 
GGTH said:
The choice of keeping him or not is probably the most difficult choice Levy will have had to make in a long, long time. I could see the arguments for either side.
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It's catch 22.

Keep him and we start badly then it's an awful decision. Sack him and we start badly under a new manager and again it looks terrible to sack him after winning a trophy. Genuinely a really tough decision to make.
 
I have always maintained he must go regardless of the outcome of this final.

However, what I witnessed in the final, not just the result but more importantly the tactical setup to win us that game had swayed my opinion slightly.

It’s not even the fact that he won us a trophy and backed himself to do so, it’s knowing that he CAN adapt and that the players are fully behind him, that is something that cannot be ignored, he was every bit as responsible for that win as the players last night and it’s one of the very few times I have said that about him during his tenure.

It’s such a hard choice because the league form has been utterly shit and some of the things he has said and done have been frankly indefensible but I have to be honest and unbiased when I approach these things and not fall into the trap of emotional thinking.

I wouldn’t want to be in charge of making a decision about this.
 
The ENIC Stockholm Syndrome is real.

Ange is a winner, proves it by getting our biggest trophy in 41 years, clearly is loved by players, but because of a freak season of injury and inept ownership not backing him (which he overcame to win said trophy) getting a bad league position he should go?

Feels like a loser mentality. Ange is the fucking man. He has delivered in his short two years with a shit squad both football we’ve craved since Poch (including this season, think 4-0 City before injury crisis) as well as the trophy Poch could never deliver.

Back him and we compete on multiple fronts next year.
 
Come on seriously. At end of Nov we had 19 points from 12 games tjat extrapolated to 60 points for the season.

Dec and Jan we had shocking injury run. But end of Feb we made as pragmatic a decision as last nights tactics ie we can’t make top 6, we’re not getting relegated so let’s concentrate EL to qualify for CL. If relegation was an issue we would’ve played best xi earlier and possibly finished mid table and no trophy.
 
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