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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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harry7 said:
I've been following Spurs for 45 years. Didn't start just because Ange joined.

I respect him because he started at the very very bottom and has worked his way up. That shows immerse character and the attributes required to be a success. No player that has ever worked with him has said a bad word about him. He hasn't throw his toys out the pram and blamed the owners, slagged off players, had a go at refs. He's got on with the job and taken ownership when things haven't gone well.

He has shown time and time again that he can take over a poor performing team and turn them into winners. He inherited Spurs with a poor and tired squad who had just lost arguably their best player ever. He turned them into European title winners in 2 seasons. Something Conte, Jose and Poch couldn't do with a far better squad.

He delivered EXACTLY what Spurs fans AND the owners wanted. A trophy and Champions League football. Albeit, via an alternative pathway.

I don't believe that relegation was ever a risk. Had our league position been close to that level, we would have simply would have fielded our strongest team and focused on the league.

As mentioned in the thread earlier - the injuries aren't just down to Ange. Romero missed almost an entire season under Conte. Lamela, Dele, Dier, Wanyama, Lo Celso, Nodombelly, Sessegnon. Our medical department has been terrible for quite some time. It is the medical team's job to prepare the team for the physical demands of the league and to work on recovery.

The Ball is now in Levy's hand. Ange has demonstrated that the squad is capable but needs to improve depth and quality if they want to compete across multiple competitions. If not - choose your battle. I fear if we bring in another coach - the only deliverable will be to get top 4 above all else.
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sorry 22 league defeats the MOST we've ever had is a sackable offence!! The football has been mostly shite, the injuries are down to him and his reluctance to change systems, only changing to park the bus football to get past third rate teams (apart from Frankfurt) and win the Europa league , which he deserves credit for, however the league campaign has been nothing short of disastrous. That's why he should be fired.
 
latman said:
Look it really comes down to what are prepared to accept, doesn't it?

I mean if people are happy for us to be a cup team where the league becomes a secondary competition than maybe you're happy for Ange to continue.

And if the same people think that we're going to radically change for the better in the league, well I think they're in for a rude awakening.

Its quite clear Ange can't cut it in the league, he's tactically beaten by just about everyone and there's a real problem with injuries that aren't magically going to disappear.

He's not good enough, and he's trying to deflect from that fact constantly.

We should move on and reset whilst in a relatively strong position after winning the EL.

It's a cold decision but it's the right one. Doing what's best for the Club should always come first.
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I'd be happy to win more cups. But not if it means sacrificing the league every time.

We can win cups and still finishg in like 6th-9th place. Not 17th.
 
harry7 said:
What this season has shown is the problems at United are nothing to do with the Manager. Ten Haag, Amiron - these aren't poor coaches. The club is in a total mess. Overspent and under achieved. Ageing facilities and living on past glories.

The difference is, Ange has bonded with the squad and created a group of players and staff that will die for each other. This is a solid foundation to build something special.

At United, players are giving interviews calling out the club and other players. Asking to leave.

At Spurs players are backing the manager and declaring their love for the club and the journey ahead.
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Of course Amorim is partly to blame. He’s doggedly playing a system that he doesn’t have the players for, isn’t particularly suited to the EPL and won’t adapt.
 
harry7 said:
It is a tricky situation. If Ange goes, it's certainly possible that our best players may follow him out the door (Son, Porro, Romero) - and our rebuild goes back to square one.

Can Spurs attract an elite coach? and would an elite coach be interested in a predominantly young squad that requires developing? Gone are the days of prime Kane/Son who you can build a team around. We don't have any elite player that the team can be built around.

At the end of the day, the league performances were unacceptable without our key players on the pitch. When we got them back, we had already decided to bin off the league.

If the squad stays largely AS-IS - Ange should probably go. He cannot get a consistent tune out of the reserve players.

If we are improving the squad - Ange should stay, and we should get the players he needs.

I firmly believe, if we give Ange the players he will win bring further trophies to Spurs and win the league in his 4th season.
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There are 2 ways to see this though, if the players are happy losing 22 games this season then off they can fuck!
 
PointToPatrik said:
I'd be happy to win more cups. But not if it means sacrificing the league every time.

We can win cups and still finishg in like 6th-9th place. Not 17th.
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The thing is that if that was a credible strategy, then I'd take it too. I'm just not sure it is. Can a team consistently win cups (say one every two seasons on average), but be middling in their league? I guess Sevilla might be an example? Tho that was very specific to the EL.

I say "I'd take it" because we have almost zero chance of the PL under Levy anyway

And more to the point, it's not reasonable to believe Ange will deliver upper mid-table PL. He might, but more likely bottom quarter / relegation dogfight
 
Archie said:
sorry 22 league defeats the MOST we've ever had is a sackable offence!! The football has been mostly shite, the injuries are down to him and his reluctance to change systems, only changing to park the bus football to get past third rate teams (apart from Frankfurt) and win the Europa league , which he deserves credit for, however the league campaign has been nothing short of disastrous. That's why he should be fired.
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It is a point re Ange ... how many self-glazing "I'm not going to change. Mate" interviews have we heard?

Guess who changed to actually win?
 
happy pants said:
I think winning a big European cup transforms the club more than if we’d finished in fourth to achieve the same champions league qualification. There’s a big sign on the stadium now that says ‘Winners’. There will be pictures around the club and stadium of Bilbao. The spursy banter club evaporated. You have to give Ange a chance at working with the players with the new mentality, not having to convince them that they’re winners, because there’s irrefutable evidence of it. It’ll be like coaching a different team. You have to give him that chance to see what he can do with them next after this transformation.
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That is the case for, yes. And while I'm "Ange out", it is not without merit. The players on some level obviously like him. Whether that's because he backs them but doesn't demand enough from them I don't know.
 
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