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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Whilst I don’t think it’s enough to keep Ange on, winning the cup was more than the result. It was us eventually getting over the line that’s the big thing. Having a team that’s won something.

We’ve spent decades playing good football, bad football, being attacking, being defensive, world class managers (one still winning, one past his best), young up and coming managers, defensive managers, iPad managers, etc. We’ve tried the lot.

Ange is the only one who got us over the line. Doesn’t matter who we played, or how we played. He’s the first one in decades to be able to lift a trophy. I can certainly see the argument to let him carry on due to this.
 
Phomesy said:
To go from suicidal high line, high-pressing, inverted possession based football and completely change it with a single minded adherence to low block, mistake minimising, fiercely concentrated win ugly football is a spectacular change of approach to pull off mid-season. It can only happen with a core group of players and a manager who are entirely in synch with eath other and believe in the stated goal.

It was spectacular and, no, none of it means he should be our manager after that league season.

However, I would just suggest that it does place a premium on his successor. They are walking into a joint with CL football and not very great footballers. They will need maximum buy in from the squad (whoever is left after summer)
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Going ultra defensive low block is one of the easiest tricks in football. It requires the least amount of coaching. Di Matteo did it with Chelsea mid season to beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich and to win an FA cup.

Sorry but I’ll accept job well done but spectacular? No. We didn’t low block our way through anyone good, or even creative. If we’d achieved that style against a serious, top level side you might be right.

I was impressed by Frankfurt - to go there and beat them was a legitimate result.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Whilst I don’t think it’s enough to keep Ange on, winning the cup was more than the result. It was us eventually getting over the line that’s the big thing. Having a team that’s won something.

We’ve spent decades playing good football, bad football, being attacking, being defensive, world class managers (one still winning, one past his best), young up and coming managers, defensive managers, iPad managers, etc. We’ve tried the lot.

Ange is the only one who got us over the line. Doesn’t matter who we played, or how we played. He’s the first one in decades to be able to lift a trophy. I can certainly see the argument to let him carry on due to this.
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Really? Blimey.

We are stuck in quicksand.

I am gobsmacked at what people are conflating and how so much is presumed because we won a cup competition.

It really is unfathomable to me.

We did win which was great but we could so easily have lost. We didn't. But.....

To me its like Villa or Woolwich sacking Emery and Arteta for not winning anything, despite obvious progress. It would be just as illogical as keeping Postecoglou for obvious overall decline. That simple, or I thought it was..
 
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He simply has to go. He will deliver a very similar PL season with the added pressures of the CL, which is way above the Europa level, literally out of sight.

Thank him profusely, cement his place in history, pay him off correctly, and appoint someone considerably better. Easier said than done I admit but we are meant to be a professional setup. It's their job to get that right. We are a very attractive package to manage next season.
 
Deuterz said:
Going ultra defensive low block is one of the easiest tricks in football. It requires the least amount of coaching. Di Matteo did it with Chelsea mid season to beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich and to win an FA cup.

Sorry but I’ll accept job well done but spectacular? No. We didn’t low block our way through anyone good, or even creative. If we’d achieved that style against a serious, top level side you might be right.

I was impressed by Frankfurt - to go there and beat them was a legitimate result.
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As I said above - if Solanke doesn't fluff his touch to score what should have been a fairly easy goal that final would be regarded as the finishing touch of a defensive based Cup run as good as any devised by Mourinho. It started with Frankfurt, continued with Bodo and for 80 minutes United couldn't get a sniff. Against a side that leaked record numbers of goals in the league.

It's not hard to recognise this AND ALSO think the league result means a change should/must be made.
 
Notabadsquad said:
Really? Blimey.

We are stuck in quicksand.

I am gobsmacked at what people are conflating and how so much is presumed because we won a cup competition.

It really is unfathomable to me.

We did win which was great but we could so easily have lost. We didn't. But.....

To me its like Villa or Woolwich sacking Emery and Arteta for not winning anything, despite obvious progress. It would be just as illogical as keeping Postecoglou for obvious overall decline. That simple, or I thought it was..
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As I said, not enough to keep him in my opinion - just can see a world where it is for the club.

And we could have lost. We’ve lost loads of important matches in the years since we won a pot. Lots of fine teams and managers have failed to get us there. Ange succeeded. It’s more than one match. More than one win. That’s the progress I can see being part of the club’s decision.
 
dudu said:
I mean, it is really. We have played plenty of shit teams and not beaten them under better managers.

Beating United 4 times in a season, no matter how crap they are, when we are similarly crap is a big deal - there is a reason they were favourites in the final. Not because of their footballing prowess but because of their general club history and them actually winning trophies against opposition much better than we were last season, because they are Man U.
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It’s mad how people try to spin it , would have been the same has we won the league cup as it isn’t a “proper” trophy.
Regardless of any dislike for Ange , the reason the “Spursy” narrative exists is plenty of times in the past when we have a so called easy draw , we always found a way to fuck it up, I really didn’t want United in the final , then add in losing Maddison, Kulu and Bergvail , the win was anything but a given, so even though I’m not one of Anges biggest fans I just hope the win he helped us get is a stepping stone for us as a club, we have got the trophy monkey off our back , what happens next is massive , I just hope we don’t fuck it up
 
dudu said:
I mean, it is really. We have played plenty of shit teams and not beaten them under better managers.

Beating United 4 times in a season, no matter how crap they are, when we are similarly crap is a big deal - there is a reason they were favourites in the final. Not because of their footballing prowess but because of their general club history and them actually winning trophies against opposition much better than we were last season, because they are Man U.
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I don’t think I’m downplaying that particular achievement.

Just saying that if you were willing to sack Ange pre-Final (and basically everyone was) that was with the knowledge that he beat United 3x this season. So clearly it wasn’t some massive indicator in his favour.
 
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Phomesy said:
Did they win a European Trophy? No. Did they provide good league seasons? No.

Trophies won by Harry Redknapp at Spurs: 0
Trophies won by Mauricio Pochettino at Spurs: 0.

Brilliant league seasons. No fucking trophies.

I have now witnessed Spurs win a European Trophy live. Nothing else matters right now. I'm sad for you that you don't understand this.
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I watch Ricky Villa...Tony Parks penalty shoot out...Walker's extra time own goal,pulsating stuff not the drab final this year

The UEFA cup in those days include the second to fourth place teams of the respective league,not the dross you get today

Can we sack the fat clown now
 
The blinkered view of.... a manager who won us a trophy so should be backed and continue in charge is nonsense! Particularly as the same manager openly admitted in a press conference that from January this year he binned off the league, dicing with relegation to focus on The EL!!!
Please! Anyone who buys into and applauds that sort of managerial mindset and can't see that 90% of our performances over the past 18 months have been nothing short of turgid, deserves another season under him. But I for one won't be watching this clowns efforts next season.
 
AberdeenYid said:
As I said, not enough to keep him in my opinion - just can see a world where it is for the club.

And we could have lost. We’ve lost loads of important matches in the years since we won a pot. Lots of fine teams and managers have failed to get us there. Ange succeeded. It’s more than one match. More than one win. That’s the progress I can see being part of the club’s decision.
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I think the opposite.

The club will be objective and use the league form as the metric.

Getting the trophy monkey off our back was awesome, but it’s an emotional decision to keep him on that basis. I don’t see the board as emotional types.
 
SameOldSpurs said:
Out of curiosity, is anyone able to tell me our xg, shots on goals, touches in box, progressive dribbles or field tilt etc from the 84 final?

Winning on pens sounds more of a blag than within 90 mins but we never talk about the 84 win like that, against an absolute European minow.
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Have a look at Anderlecht's record in Europe between 75 and 83 and come back on that "absolute European minow [sic]" comment.
 
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